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Breaking the Money Spell: How to Clear Energetic Blocks of Scarcity, Fear, and Unworthiness

• Dr. Sandra Marie/Joy Baker • Season 4 • Episode 80

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Are you exhausted from doing all the "right" things, manifesting, affirming, budgeting, and still feel like money slips through your fingers like sand?

If so, you're not cursed. You're conditioned.

In a deeply illuminating episode of Happy Hour for the Spiritually Curious, transformational coach and energy healer Joy Baker uncovers the real reason abundance seems just out of reach, and it has nothing to do with how smart, deserving, or spiritual you are. The culprit? Energetic money blocks rooted in ancestral trauma, unworthiness, and the fear-based programming of the 3D matrix.

Why This Episode Matters NOW:
We are in the midst of a global awakening unlike anything humanity has ever experienced. As old systems crumble, lightworkers like Joy are stepping forward with practical tools and powerful truths to help you navigate the shift. Whether you’re newly awakening or have been walking this path for decades, this episode is a cosmic reset for your soul.

BONUS: Joy shares a gentle yet potent energetic clearing AND activates light language to help release emotional frequencies from trauma. It’s soothing, transformational, and FREE.

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Speaker 2 (00:03.084)
Enjoy this Wild Soul gathering production. I'm Dr. Sandra Marie. Pour yourself a really tall glass of spiritual curiosity and join me for the Happy Hour for the Spiritually Curious podcast. In the spirit of happy hour, cheers to some new insights, peace, revitalization, and perhaps an aha moment that may change your life. Welcome back, Wild Souls to Happy Hour for the Spiritually Curious, the space where we dive deep, get curious, and expand into the mystery of what's possible.

I'm your host, Dr. Sandra Marie, and today's episode's going to shake up your spiritual worldview in the best possible way. Joining us today is the incredible Joy Baker, a next-level spiritual healer and transformational coach known for helping people break free from ancestral trauma, energetic limitations, and the deep-rooted patterns that hold us back. Through her connection to divine light and her multidimensional insight,

Joy empowers others to align with the energies of the new earth and truly embody abundance, freedom, and purpose. From generational healing to money blocks to awakening out of the 3D matrix, joy brings wisdom, warmth, and some real energetic fire to this conversation. So settle in, take a breath, and stay with us because what she shares may just be the missing piece you've been looking for on your spiritual path.

Welcome to the show, Joy. It is a great honor to have you with us here today.

Hey, Dr. Sandra, it's so great to be on your show and I'm looking forward to where this conversation goes.

Speaker 2 (01:39.64)
There are number of topics I'm hoping to cover today in the show, ranging from the ancestral work trauma, dealing with scarcity and lack issues, the new earth moving from the 3D matrix to the 5D matrix, and working within the collective. But before we dive into those areas, Joy, a little bit about you. Would you share how you went from being a racehorse trainer to a spiritual healer?

And was there a pivotal moment that set you on the path of healing and transformation?

Yeah, very, very different lifetimes. Like many of us, you know, I've lived many lives during this lifetime. So yeah, I was with the horses. I'd my whole life with the horses. I don't exactly remember the first thing that got me on the path. I knew there things had to, had to change. I was working seven days a week back then. was seven days a week with no break and it was physical work and, and the whole atmosphere on the racetrack was changing.

But I do recall meeting a fellow who was on the, who's actually an exercise rider and, and, you know, the race horses and, and he started talking about personal growth and that really interests me. That's what got me into it. Eventually, like I ended up leaving the horses and a eight year relationship at the same time. So I walked away. Well, when I was 33, I walked away from my whole life. Everybody I knew was on the racetrack. I, was just, just walked away from everything.

not really realizing where this path is going to take me, you know, 30 years down the road. I went to a few workshops. I started, I developed a vision and that was I wanted to be a coach. I had started to realize the power of the mind. As I realized the power of the mind, I'm like, wow, you know, when you first start on the path, you're getting all those answers and this is why I'm like this and such. So I decided to want to be a coach. wrote out that vision.

Speaker 1 (03:31.286)
Well, it was another 20 years of doing inner work and along the way I found energy work and that just made sense of everything. You know, how energy fields interact and we're all one, you know, we're all connected. That just made sense of everything. So I really dive deep into the energy work, mainly to use it on myself because as I was on this path, trauma started coming up, repressed memories of, you know, sexual abuse and other stuff.

And remember being bullied and I was painfully shy. was so, shy. Didn't know how to interact with people. So I had to learn all that. And as I learned that and learned that energy is what keeps us, you know, connected. Then I started to, when I started this business, that was when I started to really step into my value. It took me a

I get won't it's everything so much quicker now doesn't take as long but it took me twenty years to really realize that you know i do have value what i offer as value and that was when i started the business and that was when my money situation started to change i got been through two bankruptcies not because i had money that i spent it was because i just didn't i thought it was worthless and had no value so.

I was mostly, was doing a lot of telemarketing and cold calling and such and never made much money. I just couldn't let myself value myself enough so that I could make money and receive. And so I ended up going through two bankruptcies. There's a lot of shame with that. That was my real, out of everything I dealt with, my real, you know, sticking block was money. And I've had clients say that it feels like I've changed everything except for the money situation.

But that started to change when I followed my dream and I believed in myself and I recognized my work. So was really me believing in myself that started to really change everything.

Speaker 2 (05:28.076)
Wow, that's a fascinating story. Do you believe that our soul chooses certain traumas or limitations for our growth?

yes, yeah, I believe, yeah. If you're listening to something like this, you didn't come here to be stuck in the fear-based 3D consciousness. You're a light being, you're here to share the light. And sometimes we need to experience, you know, lot of pain or trauma or chaos before we'll say, like, I've had enough. Something's got to be different. Maybe it's time to look at this differently or something comes into our life to wake us up.

And yes, I believe our soul is light and we're here to see the light. We're here to share the light. We're here to wake people up with our light that's right. And beauty that's radiating from it. What I believe is where we're co-creator the soul before we ever come here, chooses certain experiences that will wake us up. But then we're also co-creating our existence. So based on our decisions, cause based on your decisions, you're going to make choices. Ultimately that, you know, that creates your life.

At any choice point, know, at any point in time, we have a choice to go one way or another or another way or like make a decision. So we're co-creating with what our souls plan is for our life and our desires. That's what I believe.

So you do a lot of work with trauma and ancestral trauma, and you mentioned when you were talking about how your path unfolded uncovering suppressed memories. Can you talk a little bit about the influence of suppressed memories and spiritual awakening and healing in general?

Speaker 1 (07:16.492)
Yeah, absolutely. That was everything. I had eight years of repressed memories of sexual abuse. And then, you know, as we go through life, there's different memories will come up. And once we get through the really painful ones, we'll start to remember the good stuff. Often we don't remember the good stuff until we go through that journey of pain. So the eight years weren't all in one eight-year stretch. It was four years when I first, you know, started to realize I was sexually abused and what it was about and who I was.

took me four years to really believe it had happened. And then I had about a five year, I called it a quiet time, and then another four years of really remembering really traumatic sexual abuse memories. And it was, and I know a lot of people are going through this, especially now, I would just start to feel like I was back on track and feel good about myself and my life, and another memory would come in and I'd get knocked down again.

And it was like, remember saying to myself, like, universe, come on, how many times can I pick myself back up? Like it was just, it was, it was just too much. And I remember after one memory came in, I went, okay, I'm not suicidal anymore. Cause I decided I wasn't going to commit suicide because I nearly did in spring 2010. But I said, okay, so I'm going to continue living. But from this point forward, I know I have no value.

And I remember saying that to myself and deciding I have no value. Fortunately, I had a workshop scheduled for three days later, a three day workshop. And I went to that workshop and talked to people and such, and was able to turn that around. But if I hadn't, I would have been stuck even longer. Being knocked down over and over and over again.

And I know people are experiencing this, so I just want to say you will get through this. You are much stronger than what's happening to you. You are stronger than what up until now has been defining you. You're stronger than your story and your experiences. It's all happening for a reason and it does not define who you are and it is not defining your value. And there is something greater for you going forward.

Speaker 1 (09:25.518)
how I got out of that, how I was able to turn that around. And I don't think I did this with conscious intention at the time. So I started the healing business full-time September 2015. And it was around a year before that, 2014. I said to the universe, said, you know, we learn lessons through pain and pleasure. And usually it's pain. Most of us learn our lessons through pain. Pain gets bad enough, we'll finally change. And I said to the universe, you know what, universe?

I'm done with learning my life lessons through pain. I'm ready to start enjoying life and learning life lessons through pleasure. And I don't remember it being, you know, a thunderbolt or anything like that, but I think things just started to gradually change after that because I had made a decision that I'd experienced enough pain in my life, that intense pain, and I was ready to experience life from a higher frequency.

That sounds like it was quite a journey.

Yeah, that's a journey.

I would say that absolutely there are so many people who are experiencing a very similar story and awareness and really reaching out and looking for direction and assistance with that journey. they feel very alone. It's a very lonely path. How would you talk about moving from that recognition of being a victim?

Speaker 2 (10:52.302)
and re-scripting that to being more of a creator in that realization.

would say the biggest thing that kept me going forward was having a vision, knowing I wanted something greater. Like my whole thing in life since I woke up was I wanted to make a difference. I used to say to the universe, just I want to make a difference. So I just stayed on the path and knowing I wanted to make a difference. that was at the time I wrote down, coach, I didn't even know about energy healing. And that was always there. was like, it was always in front of me, no matter how

how it got, no matter how stuck I felt, it was like, universe, I want to make a difference. And yeah, it was really painful. mean, it was been 30 years now. it was, there was a lot of pain and a lot of struggle and wondering. And I know a lot of people are there wondering if it's ever going to get better, especially if they're just starting on their ascension path. And it's interesting you bring this up.

because I've had a few clients over just the past few days, like email me and say, what's going on? Like, why is this coming up? I never felt this way before. Or anxiety or just digestive issues. Ultimately, you're moving to a higher frequency and that stirs up everything within you, stirs up all the energy. Things start to move.

And everything starts to change. So what I would say to anybody who's experiencing that is just breathe, just breathe. You're going to be okay. You will get through this. If you feel the need to go check, you know, get it checked out by a doctor or something like that, or you need some kind of support, go ahead and take action on that. But know that you're waking up and you're part of a great awakening right now. People all over the world are awakening.

Speaker 1 (12:50.314)
Absolutely. What has taken me 30 years to get here, it's now with everybody awakening, there's so much consciousness shifting and awakening and energy and, and, you know, downloads and upgrades. And so yeah, it's a very chaotic time, but you're going to be okay. The number one thing I would suggest to somebody is have some kind of a vision or what

And it's one of the questions I pretty much always ask somebody the first time I start working with them is what do you want to move forward to? Even if you don't really, you're not sure yet. How do you want to feel? You want to feel happy, peaceful, energized, inspired, connected? Like how do you want to feel? And from there you can decide, okay, well, these are some of the, you know, you go more into the physicality of it, but you create any ways from your emotions. So.

If somebody's not sure, I would just say, how do you want to feel? And now I've had, I've had people say, I'd like to feel happy, but that's just a concept. I don't even know what happiness is. If possible, go to a memory, even when you were a child, when you felt happy, happy can be at ease or, know, whatever everybody's got their own version of happy, but it's some kind of at ease feeling. And if they still can't think of any time they felt happy, then.

Imagine how that would feel in your body. And so you say something like, well, if I was happy, I imagine my body would feel lighter and I'd probably feel more, you know, expansive and maybe even more flexible. You take that emotion down to its most basic and choose how you want to feel. And like I said, if you don't have a memory of, of joy or peace or feeling safe, imagine how it would feel in the body. And for anybody who's thinking, what if I get it wrong?

You can't get it wrong. If you're saying, well, I'd like to feel safe. Well, I would imagine that feeling safe would feel more relaxed. whole body would relax and I would feel more at ease. That's feeling safe. As long as you're going from a dense energy to a lighter energy, you're not going to get it wrong. Anybody who's thinking, what if I pick wrong or what if I say it wrong? Let it go. As long as you're choosing a greater frequency of lightness, you're on the path.

Speaker 2 (15:13.368)
love it. That was such a great way of explaining in a very tangible way that shift out of the victim and sort of shifting and moving because it's a process into that creator role of shifting and changing your life. So I do want to say absolutely the globe is awakening like crazy. is just, it's amazing. It was sort of a concept.

that those of us who have been sort of working in that field or had a more conscious awareness of the awakening and what was happening and now literally being in it, like because it's actively happening now, it's amazing. The other thing that I'll say, because you've talked, you know, this has been quite a 30 years for you to get to where you're at now, is from my perspective, one of the things that I've recognized is those

early on the path, the folks who've been trailblazing their way out of this have really created a space and raised the energy for those who have followed and that it's not going to take 30 years, not even close. Folks experience with it's going to be very different because it's going to happen a lot quicker. And it's going to happen a lot quicker because of folks like you who really were very consciously aware and put yourself 100 % all out there.

in dealing with it. So thank you and kudos to you. I just also want to mention that so folks don't feel like this is going to be a 30-year path because that can seem incredibly overwhelming to someone.

yeah. Yeah. I don't want to overwhelm anybody. And I'm glad you mentioned that because yeah, the energies are so much quicker now because we've got a lot of people waking up all around the globe. You know, those are energies that others are aligning with that are connecting us all. So yeah, it's happening much, much faster. It can also be overwhelming for people because it is so.

Speaker 1 (17:18.444)
You know it is happening so quickly and it's like why is this anxiety coming up or the digestive issues or the this intense fear and such. And again just breathe just breathe and know that you're going to be okay and trust trust is huge on this path i mean trust is massive on the path because if you're feeling really scared or anxious and you're stuck in that fear based three d consciousness. You're gonna be dragged down into that.

But when you trust and say, know what, there are higher powers looking after me, there's Zeke. Whatever somebody works with, angelic body, work with Archangel Michael and Raphael a lot, Saint Germain and whoever else comes in and such. Call on them. Now you can do it two ways. You can just say a name. You can just say Michael or Raphael or Saint Germain, and they will be there with you instantly. And you need to call on them.

Because we have, like, they will never just come in unless somebody is about to die and it's not their time. That's the only time the higher beings will intervene. But if you just need help, you need guidance and such, call on them because we have free will. And as humans, we've all experienced it, you know, we will be trample on each other's free will or try to control it or have an agenda for them.

but the non-physical light beams, they don't do that. So you can just say a name and they will be there with you. Or let's say you want to buy a house and you know what the house is like, know the area and everything else, you describe all of that. And I want to buy a house where the energy is just really uplifting and I feel happy and joyful and we're connected and my neighbors are great. So you can say it in detail, but then this or something greater.

this make sure you add this or something greater because if you say it in detail and you don't say this or something greater, then it's like that's all they've got to work with. So it's very, it's almost like controlling and very specific, but when you say this or something greater, they, know, the, higher power will always give you something greater than you can possibly imagine.

Speaker 2 (19:30.412)
I think that that's important to say because, you know, we're limited and according to our human experiences on the earth, you know, we're very limited and based on whatever our life had been on the earth, we know what we know. We can't appreciate that there's so much greater things that weren't even in our purview. So very important to say this and something better because trust that there's a whole lot better out there that's beyond any

any of us, regardless how evolved we are, I believe, can even imagine. And the other part I would say with this awakening and the energy and the ascension and the light that's coming off of these solar flares and how that timeline, that's all science through NASA got moved up a couple years and we're literally at the peak of it right now. And I feel like there's also off planet energies out there that are also

sending light and then we have our beloved beings. If you think about it, I come from a healthcare background so this always sort of creeps in with me a little bit. All that energy and light, our physicality is not used to it so the body being a dense matter of physicalness always has to make an adjustment. Even with anything, even if someone gets prescribed a new medications a lot of times.

It can take months for people to adjust to that medication and they would have different unpleasant side effects. It's the same thing with the light. And it's funny you say GI symptoms because I do a lot of reading and I have a lot of folks that I follow and that's a consistent thing that's been brought up that you're giving validity to for me is people are experiencing a lot of GI symptoms. The anxiety is at a level that I've never seen, but it's its global.

And it's just a lot of it, no is normal. It's our physicality adjusting to all these different lights. And from my perspective, we're so used to the 3D matrix that when we don't know or understand something and we're trying to make sense of it, we tend to go fear-based. Now we're moving out of it and shifting that level of belief or thought system and creation to

Speaker 2 (21:53.28)
the opportunity, what's the beauty in this. So for releasing emotional frequencies from trauma and other things that people have experienced during this lifetime, what happens if people just leave them unaddressed? Like how's that going to affect us?

Good question. if you're know, if you're leaving something unaddressed, if you feel sluggish, if you feel heavy, if you feel off and or numb out that that's, that was my default, my go-to default for, for years, for decades was just numbing out, not feeling anything when it became too much for me, anything like that. Or if you're feeling scattered or unfocused, you know, there's something there.

I mean, we live in a society where there's so many distractions, especially with social media. And people love to distract themselves. And this often manifests in sleeping issues. If something's there and you during the day, you're ignoring it. You'd get this kind of nagging feeling or you're feeling maybe heavy or health issues or sluggish. And, you distract yourself, not just with, you know, life.

You distract yourself with social media or you can't get off your phone or getting caught up in the drama, all the news, and somebody tells you something, you get caught up in that. You're distracting yourself. Then at night when you go to sleep and everything's quiet and your conscious mind, you know, you go into your unconscious mind. Often that's when people have sleeping issues because that stuff, that trauma or that stuck emotion then wants to come up.

And often how that can manifest if let's say somebody falls asleep, but there's something there they're not ready to deal with, you know, some kind of emotional issue or trauma wanting to come up. And then what you will do, your mind will do is just before you go into that deep sleep, that REM sleep, so that you can really sleep deeply and all that stuff comes up. You won't do this consciously, but you'll wake yourself up. The reason being

Speaker 1 (24:08.386)
The fear of remembering that trauma or dealing with that emotion is so great that the fear wakes you up. Because if you slept soundly, unconscious self would, like that would start to come up. That would start to come up and then you have to process it. Even distraction during the day wouldn't work. There's so many ways that manifest. Like eventually if you...

keep ignoring something, you just don't deal with the trauma or the emotions. Because in the moment it can say, I just won't deal with it. Especially if that's your default way of life, is just not dealing with emotions and traumas and that eventually health issues will come up. Because it's stuck energy, it's stagnant energy. We're energy beings. If your energy is stuck and stagnant, you know, that's what, you know, and I have no medical training at all. I know you're doctor, so.

But if energy is stuck in stagnant...

nurse.

Okay. nurse. Okay. So my mom was an RN as well. She was a nurse.

Speaker 2 (25:13.528)
So you know more medical than you think you do if you grew up with someone like that.

Well, I suppose I was, yeah. Stuck and stagnant energy can often be pain or inflexible joints, where your joints just don't want to bend and flex. It can be sore muscles, different things like that. It's all stuck energy. If somebody is in that place and there's something they just don't want to deal with.

Yet stuff is starting to come up or maybe the health is getting affected or maybe they're just always tired. You know, that always tired feeling. Ask yourself if you're ready, if you want it, you can do it really simply. I mean, you can always go as deep into as you want, but just say to yourself, okay, I'm feeling off. I'm tired of feeling this way or I want to change whatever it is. Just say there's something here. What could that be? What is stuck? What belief is stuck or what emotion is stuck? Ask yourself.

What leaf is stuck or what emotion is stuck and trust, trust, trust, trust, whatever comes up. I actually did this this morning. There's been an ongoing issue and, just mild. It's not a big thing, but I thought what's in that was it what belief or emotion I went, I feel trapped. Well, feeling trapped. mean, that's a big trauma for me. Even by saying that.

Now there's different ways to deal with it. You can just say, okay, send it to the light. So you identify, you acknowledge, just send it to the light. Or you can also use acceptance as well. Cause when something comes up, it's a part of you, a part of yourself that wants to be accepted. So accept that this is a situation I feel trapped. Well, I don't want to keep feeling trapped. So I'm going to release that trapped feeling and emotion to the light.

Speaker 1 (27:03.276)
Well, I have to make different decisions or ask myself empowering questions so I can move forward from this. And in this case, it was all about receiving love, opening up to receiving, you know, love and the energy of love.

Can you talk a little bit about ancestral trauma and how that plays into the situation?

Sure, yeah. Well, that's really what we're going through right now is the breaking up, the letting go and the releasing of ancestral trauma. So ancestral trauma is when generation to generation, the same beliefs, thoughts, emotions, behaviors are passed down. Everybody just keeps doing the same thing. And if you look for like thousands of years, we've more or less been immersed in the fear-based.

limitation of the 3D consciousness. You know, it's like going to a job. Look at how much that has changed these days. You know, so many more people are going remote or entrepreneurial or starting their own business or things are changing in that area in a big way where before it was just you went out and you got a job. Traditionally, it was men work, women stayed home traditionally. So these are traditions and ancestral traditions and ways of thinking and beliefs that are all being

dismantled right now, which is what is contributing to the chaos because a lot of people are saying, you know, they're in that in-between place. This is what I used to believe. This is what my parents believed or who raised me. This is what they believe. This is how they felt. This is how they behave. And like the job situation for a lot of people, it's confusing because before

Speaker 1 (28:45.794)
You worked for 40 years, you made your money, you retired, you had a nice pension. That was just standard. And now it's all changed and people are to figure out, you know, where am I? What am I about? What do I want to create in my life? Think of women are this, men are that. Traditionally, that's been, you know, we've had a role, especially in marriage. Marriage, like that contract, that marriage contract has thousands of years.

of agreements and roles associated with it. In other words, once you get married, the man's traditionally, it's changing now, but the man is this way, the woman is that way. That's all changing now, and that's what's breaking up. If you're stuck in ancestral conditioning or trauma or beliefs, ask yourself, is this really a divine truth? And is this my truth?

Because often we think of something as a truth, but it's not. It's what you were taught. You know, we've been taught like with money. We've been taught that money's hard to come by. Money doesn't grow on trees, save for a rainy day. But that's not the truth. The divine truth in that divine space, money is simply a frequency. It's energy, which is vibration and frequency. And that's all it is. It's only until it comes into human consciousness that we decide if it's good or bad, if it's abundant, if it's limited.

But traditionally, money, like my parents went bankrupt once, I went bankrupt twice. My dad was in sales, my mom until they went bankrupt, guess around I was 11 or 13, something like that. Mom didn't, mom stayed at home. She was a nurse before she got married. And then she took nursing again and finished up the last, you know, 15 years with nursing. Dad was in sales. So money was up and down. We had to stretch the dog, you know, all that scarcity programming.

You know, I went through that until I turned that around by really figuring out who I am and valuing myself. But think of like ancestral, all those beliefs of limitation of this is who women are, this is who men are, about money, about career, about getting a job, all of that, all the things we believe. That's been passed down from generation to generation for hundreds, even thousands of years. Because more or less, if you look

Speaker 1 (31:10.008)
back, everything has more or less stayed the same until now. Now we're going through the great awakening, things are really changing rapidly, which can make it such a confusing time for people.

I agree. think this great awakening, one of the key elements that we're seeing in this is shedding. Shedding out this programming and beliefs. How would one differentiate between inherited energetic blocks versus those created from their current life experiences?

Really, I think they all come from ancestors. When we come in, especially as those that are light beings, not everybody's coming in as a light being, maybe more so now, but not 40, 50, 60, 100 years ago. When we come in, yes, we're light beings, but then we're taught to be a certain way. We're taught about limitation. taught, and we believe that to be a truth. We believe that to be right. And we focus on that.

And because we focus on what we've been taught, money is hard to come by, money is scarce, other people need to be, other people are like this, know, I treat other people like this or don't trust anybody, any of those beliefs. We focus on that, put our attention on that. What we put our attention on, we give energy to, and that energy will come back to us. Maybe not from the same person, place, event, experience, but it will eventually come back.

So as that energy you put out there, whether it's lack of trust or it's limitation or it's fear or any, you know, any belief comes back to you, you create your experiences from that place. As you create your experiences, you give them a meaning and all people do this. Whatever we experience in life, it's not a conscious process, but we will give it a meaning. And the reason being is so that we can make sense of our world and then we feel safe.

Speaker 1 (33:01.496)
So now you've got your experiences, you've got the meanings you've given those experiences. That creates a story. We all have our story and that creates our identity. You know you're stuck in your identity if you ever say, if you hear somebody out say, well, that's just the way things are. Things like that always happen to me or nothing ever changes. So you start with your conditioning.

Your focus on that, you know, the mind likes to be right. The mind looks for evidence of that, it believes to be right because then the mind can feel safe. And the ego jobs mind also called your unconscious condition self is to keep you safe. So to the ego, ego mind, same equals safe. So it's job, you know, as you become an adult, when you're a kid, that's a parent's job. As you become an adult, it's the ego mind's job. So we stay stuck in the same.

so that we can stay safe.

For someone who's just starting to explore generational or energetic healing, what's a gentle first step they can take after listening to this episode?

first thing that comes in, cause I'm big on this is be kind to yourself. Be kind to yourself. Know that this is a process. If you're feeling unsettled, anxious, if you're feeling fearful, or if you're feeling not good enough, that's a core belief, not enough for most of humanity. That's okay. It's part of that. Sometimes that, you know, the things we awaken to, we remember it's like, can make us feel worse. It's like, I really believe that. Or that.

Speaker 1 (34:37.398)
You know, I learned that or I shouldn't feel that way. Your feelings are your feelings. If you're feeling unsettled, if you're feeling overwhelmed, if you're feeling anxious, you are more than that. You are, and you will get through this. If you're just kind of getting onto the path now, this is as good a time as any, because look at what's available because of the internet talks like this. You can go anywhere now.

And there are words of support. There are words that will, know, people that are willing to awaken you. And it's all out there. As long as you have internet access, it's out there.

Yeah, I would agree. And honestly, even with this podcast, you know, we have a global following. The availability of the information, the resources, the people, and the reach of it never ceases to amaze me. Do you think, the chakra system play a role in uncovering patterns around money and relationships?

Because it's your chakra systems, you've got the seven main chakras from the base, the root chakra to the crown chakra. This is how I see the chakras. I like to keep things really simple. There are more detailed explanations. The chakras, generally the main ones, you know, the seven main ones, they come in from the back. So along the spine and the back of the head and then the crown. So you're receiving information. Think of it as almost like a

cycle I guess so you're receiving information from your environment so whatever environment you're in whatever the energy is emotional energy the frequency you're receiving information and you're receiving that information based on what you were taught what is within you you're conditioning what you believe your thoughts your emotions if you believe you're going to get sick if you believe something bad is going to happen that is what see then that

Speaker 1 (36:41.858)
goes out so you're sending that out from the front of you so you send that out into the world then that that's a frequency that aligns with that information that energy so then you bring that in through your shockers so your shockers are like spinning vortexes they're spinning in information all the time and then you're processing that within you and it's when if you're feeling stuck.

The same thing, it's like the same, you keep sending out the same information, mean thoughts, beliefs, emotions, you fears or hopes. If you're feeling stuck, you keep sending out the same information. And so you keep aligning with that, that keeps coming in. This is one where the same thing keeps happening. We're feeling stuck. If you want your life to change, then if you want something greater in your life, well, if you're listening to this, you're already doing it. Keep.

looking at your, you know, your, your inner world and have a vision. What do you want to move forward to? If you don't have something you want to move forward to, that's when you go into a loop because you've got, let's say you've got a fear of running out of money. That's a, you know, a lot of people have that fear. I know I certainly did for a lot of years, decades. So you've got a fear of running out of money.

And you're worried about money and maybe you're in debt. So you keep looking at the debt, then unexpected bill comes in and then you're in that place of despair and hopelessness. Again, you say things to yourself, well, this always happens. Why does this keep happening to me? Just when I got a few dollars, I had this happen. So you keep using the same self-talk, the same words. Why does it, you know, what's wrong with me? What am I doing wrong? That's what you're sending out.

That's what you send out. Energy is going to align with that. Energy is information, it's thoughts, beliefs, emotions, and that's going to come back in. So you just keep looping. Let's say something happens. Let's again, take the fear of running out of money. Start asking yourself empowering questions. So you say, okay, this is the situation. Or, know, right now I'm really low on money or an unexpected bill comes in. Well, how can I look at this differently to support me in feeling lighter?

Speaker 1 (38:57.336)
How can I look at this differently so I can actually open up to receiving money? Is there something else I could do? Could I take action on this? You ask yourself empowering questions. As you ask yourself empowering questions, you are transforming the energy within yourself. You are automatically raising the frequency within yourself as you ask empowering questions, say, rather than, you know, what's wrong with me or how did I create this again?

Okay, well, Universe, there must be a great lesson in here for me. So, Universe, if you could support me with being open to receiving money or bringing opportunities in, something like that. That's the energy you send out. That's the energy that we're allying with that. And then you bring that back in. Slowly, you raise your frequency. So you start with asking empowering questions.

Well, thank you. That's really helpful for individuals to use their own energy fields to rewrite their narratives around success and abundance. I think that's very helpful. For someone who is just, you know, they just listened to what you had to say, it made sense, but it didn't make sense, we'll say, they're just feeling so stuck, so stuck in the scarcity and unworthiness. What's a good first step?

to help them reclaim their power. Because it's really about reclaiming their power, right?

Yes, yeah, I would sum up my whole path by claiming my power, divine power. So somebody is listening to something like this and they understand it all, but they're still feeling stuck or helpless. Hopeless. First, I would say, you know, when we're in that place, it can feel like it's going on forever and it's never ending and nothing's ever going to change. It is going to change. This is temporary. The stuck place, the feeling helpless and worthless.

Speaker 1 (40:55.158)
It is temporary might you might have been dealing with it your whole life. might feel like it's never going to end, but make a choice that you know what? I'm going to start feeling better. I choose happiness. I don't know what that feels like, but I choose it. So universe, Hey, I'm choosing happiness. I'm choosing to feel good about myself. Can you give me some support here and show me how I can do that? Something will show up. Somebody will say something or be a video work.

You read something and it be just what you need. When you choose something greater, when you choose happiness, when you choose to feel safe, even if you don't know what that feels like, you're putting that intention out there and the universe hears you and it will come back to you. And eventually it might be right away. It might be a day, week, month, but it will come back to you. So somebody right now is feeling stuck and they're listening to this and, you know, resonating with the information, but they still feel stuck.

Okay, so first of all, helplessness is coming in. What I would do is, and what I did for years, decades, is EFT tapping. If, you know, that emotional freedom technique, I would just start saying, you know, if it's helplessness, this helplessness, this helplessness, this helplessness, or this fear. And that releases the stuck energy in the meridians. And when the energy is released in the meridians, because these are all meridian endpoints,

When the energy is released in the meridians, the statement might still be there, helplessness, but you won't be attached to it. That's what EFT does. It releases emotional attachment to it. That's what I would suggest if somebody's in that moment and they're just feeling stuck and they just need that little boost of, need to get, you know, move on from this. Realize that's not your identity. It does not define who you are, I should say. It doesn't define who you are.

You're more valuable than what you've been taught. Ask empowering questions and do some EFT, just tapping.

Speaker 2 (42:56.578)
I love EFT and the beauty of it is it's basically free. I mean, you can go on the internet and there is, and I can't think of the fellow's name, there is one person out there who has put out hundreds and hundreds of videos on EFT and the different techniques with the different topics and how it made it.

It's readily available. mean, even if you don't have the internet, you can still go to your local library and that's a great tool. I love it. I've used it myself and I have, as you have, had very positive benefit from it. And, you know, some of the feedback we get from the show a lot of times is, you know, resources can be limited and we're talking about scarcity and those kinds of things. That's what makes us such a great healing technique is it's

It works. It's powerful. It's there for you and it's free.

Exactly.

So you mentioned a little bit earlier in the show when we were talking about Saint Germain and some different archangels. You use divine light and spiritual guides in your work. What is that connection? What does it look like and how does it feel for you?

Speaker 1 (44:14.19)
What does it look like? It's more of a beingness, I guess. Like one of the things I do when I work with clients, I work this way as well over the phone, but also just from a picture. So they just send me a picture and let me know what they want to clear and such. So I'll just hear. I'll just connect to the energy. I'm the physical being, but this is where trust comes in. Trust is huge when you're hearing guidance or messages.

is I'll just hear what they have to say and it just flows through me. So I'm just channeling what they have to say. I would say it's a connection of trust, know, just trusting them, trusting what I hear.

And some people get their messages visually and some people get them auditorily. So I do want to throw that out. It's interesting because I'm going to say it's very unique and individual for people, but in the same breath, it all seems sort of the same. Also, I know that's a contradictory statement, but it makes sense to me. I don't know if you have any thoughts on that.

Yeah, everybody is different. So I guess my clairsentience, it's the emotions. And that's what I do is go deep into the unconscious conditioning and identify where they're stuck emotionally. And that's a gift I've been given is being able to identify frequencies. Don't see them. It's like a sense. Identify the frequency, if it's sadness or grief or guilt or shame or anger.

And then we just release that and then I follow the stream of consciousness. So it's like a, it would be an emotional, like emotional scene. And it's just trusting what comes in and trusting. And every time I, I'm working with a client and I'll go, well, you know, I can, sometimes a message will come in a few times and we're like, that seems really weird. Every time it seems weird and I finally say to the client, well, this came up. It makes sense to them.

Speaker 1 (46:12.044)
So now I've gotten to the point to just trust myself. And even if it's weird, it's like I just go with it.

There you go. How do you define the new Earth paradigm and what does it mean for those who are seeking transformation?

What I call the new earth or the fifth dimension. Well, you start with emotional space. We've all been there. We know the 3d space because it feels heavy, limited. That's where struggle is. That's where despair. We were birthed into that. Our ancestors have been birthed into that. So we all know that space. So that's 3d and it's fear based. Fear is the thread that holds everything together in the 3d and any emotions that align with that.

But we all know the feeling of being sluggish, you're out of energy, that's all 3D based. So you know you're in that space when you're feeling that way. The fifth dimension, I'll get to the fourth dimension in a moment, the fifth dimension of the new earth is when we felt that in say meditations, when you're in a meditation and you just, your whole self is relaxed and you're at ease and you feel that oneness.

Divine love holds that space together. That's like the thread that holds it all together. And anything that aligns with divine love, happiness, gratitude, appreciation. And that's why I when you're creating a vision, even if you're not sure what you want to create, choose your emotions. know, feeling happy, full of gratitude, appreciation, peaceful, inspired, creative, abundant flow and ease. I abundance is in the fifth dimension.

Speaker 1 (47:47.64)
So how do you get there from this heavy dense 3D, you know, fear based place to this place of where you're feeling happy and joyful and connected and abundant and free and light and inspired and creative. It's like getting to that place. I mean, it sounds, you know, feels great. The fourth dimension is like a portal. So it's between, you can think of it as a portal or a pathway between the 3D and the 5D. And that's where you're doing your inner work. That's where you're processing.

You know, when you're doing your inner work and you're processing and you go really, really deep in you, oh, that's why that you get the aha moment. That's where most people stop and where I did for 20 years, I would go, okay, oh, I feel good. Okay. That all makes sense. And then you go on, you're feeling good. You're feeling light, but take it a step further when you're doing your inner work and say, okay, I feel so good. I feel light and free and energized and.

Now, what do I want to create in the fifth dimension? What do I want to create in those higher frequencies? The reason being, you want to take it a step further and say, what do I want to create? Or if you already have your vision in mind, then take a few moments, close your eyes and connect to that and feel that. Feel that if it's buying a house, feel yourself, you know, in your new house, in the area you want to live in and feel that. The reason for that is

Let's say you've done your inner work and you're feeling really good, you feel amazing, and you stop there. In moments of stress, we default to our conditioned self, to our unconscious, like the conditioning we were raised in. So we default to that 3D energy. If you grew up in trauma, if you grew up in fear, scared, anxious, there is guilt, all of that, that's your default conditioning.

And in moments of stress, we automatically default to that. So now you're feeling really good, but something happens. Maybe you stub your toe. Maybe you go outside and you think it's a nice day and it's going to be raining. Like it doesn't have to be big. It can be something little. You will automatically default to that space of heaviness. Now, chances are you're going to default.

Speaker 1 (50:09.198)
to it anyways, because I mean, you've been living there and your ancestors have been living in that space for hundreds and thousands of years. But ascension, see what the ascension, like the ascension process, what it is, it's not about living in one space. It feels really good all the time. We're multi-dimensional beings. We're cycling through the dimensions all the time. And the ascension process is like, let's say, let's take money, because everybody deals with money. And you say, you know, just when I got a few dollars ahead,

this happened again, or before, you know, something happened and it would take you down for days or weeks or even months. Now you go, okay, this happened and you might feel victimized. You might feel down for a while, even a few days, but you go, okay, how can I step out of this? I can ask myself empowering questions. I can ask for, you know, call on Lakshmi, goddess of prosperity to, you know, turn things around.

I can look at this differently. know, the ask yourself empowering questions, the ascension process is about you go back to the third dimension, but you don't stay there as long because you have the tools to get yourself out of that place. And eventually something will happen. You get derailed for a few moments or a few hours, but then you're let go of that and you choose something greater.

Okay, how can the listeners recognize where their add on that 3D to 5D spectrum?

I would say by how they're feeling. If they feel energized and light and they feel optimistic, optimism is generally is a fifth dimensional frequency. If you're feeling creative, let's say you want to start some kind of creative venture, but you're blocked, then creativity is a fifth dimensional frequency. So you know you're stuck in either third or fourth dimension. So ask yourself empowering questions and also ask yourself.

Speaker 1 (52:07.552)
I used to say, still say this like a mantra sometimes, what if it's possible? What if it's possible? So let's say you want to be an artist, you want to buy a house, you want to travel, you want to start a business, you want to quit your job, you retire, swim with the dolphins, whatever it is. But all the excuses come in. I don't have the money, I'm not worthy, I'm not deserving, and you know, I don't have the health for that. Start saying to yourself, what if it's possible?

What if, bypasses the resistance of your ego mind, it is something greater you've already decided. So your vision and saying possible over and over again, opens up the energy within you and your space and opportunities and possibilities will start to come in. And I've said that like a mantra, I even recorded on my phone for 20 minutes and I would play it, you know, at night, like when I had, fact, that's how I got on my first show.

I had somebody say a couple of years before I ever got on my first show, which was September, 2016, you know, first interview like this, somebody we're talking about a healer we both knew. And they said to me, you want to start going on the shows like that? I'm like, that's never going to happen. I've been listening to them for 10 years, but I mean, I just, who am I? Like, what would I even talk about? Who am I? Nobody's going to listen to me. And you know, all the things we talk herself out, but she had planted the seed.

she'd planted the seed. So I started saying to myself, well, what if I could? Of course, the ego mind comes in and tells me all the reasons I'm not good enough. So I started saying like a mantra, but what if it's possible? What if it's possible? What if it's possible? I like to walk. So I'd be out walking on the trails and saying, what if it's possible? And the ego mind would come in and I'd say, yeah, but what if it's possible? And sure enough, when the opportunity came up two years later,

I client of mine said you know i know the co producer of the show i could send them your information you want me to i was ready cuz i been saying to it so didn't shop right away but when it did i was ready and that's one of the powers of what if it's possible. know when the opportunity presents itself you're ready and so you know got on my first show and have a look back.

Speaker 2 (54:23.105)
And look at you now.

Can someone begin, we'll say, to align with the new Earth energies in their everyday life, especially when they're still in that 3D job and relationship?

So if they're feeling really stuck, let's say, yeah, 3D job and relationship. So that's their life, you know, cause they're working a job and they're, if they're living with a person, that's pretty much their life. What do you want beyond that? If you felt free, if you felt happy, if you felt good about yourself, if you valued yourself, how would you choose to live your life? Would you stay in that job and that relationship? And I'm hearing, you know, in this made up scenario, I'm hearing a no.

Right?

Speaker 1 (55:07.424)
Okay, then how would you like to live your life? Why I'd love to travel. Okay, then choose that. Now it's not going to happen all right away, but you start to choose it. You start to choose something greater, write it down. And again, it's like having that vision of something greater. And eventually what will happen as you decide something greater, see your frequency, your frequency raises. start, you start spending more time in a higher consciousness and frequency.

And eventually being in that really 3D environment, you won't even resonate with that any longer. It's like, I've got to get out of that. I've got a client I've been working with for a while now. She's going through this right now. She's like, I literally can't stand this any longer. Cause she knows what she wants to move forward to. There's still some things she's wrapping up and finishing. I mean, there will be some things she'll have to break off from, but as she raises her frequency more and more,

And she's starting to feel more relaxed and doing things like yoga and meditation and higher frequency, higher consciousness activities. That 3D environment just doesn't resonate with her any longer. And she's starting to really realize like, I have to make a big move here pretty quickly.

find that people, just as you said, it becomes intolerable, but sometimes I find that the universe, I'll call it the universe, will also put things in the path that will force the issue if you're being resistant to the move. So say perhaps with that job, someone might end up in a workforce reduction. They really want it out, but they just were unable to make

the move for whatever reason, there's so many different things that could be attached to that, especially with our programming, that sometimes I find that that plays into it also.

Speaker 1 (57:05.6)
Absolutely. Yeah. You're absolutely right. There is the universe. If you need to make that change, but you're just, you're afraid to cause I mean, yeah, it can be fearful. They often, yeah, the universe will say like, yeah, downsizing at work or something like that. And it's a very thing you want, but it's not necessarily easy or, you know, the partner will leave or something will happen and it's what you want. And so the universe says, okay.

I'll help you out with that.

You're going to go through a pain, but yeah, we'll give you what your higher self wants.

It's interesting when I think people more times than not, don't recognize it in the moment. They recognize it absolutely retrospectively. But as we're in this, you know, ascension growth, I think that people, are starting to see things more in real time than retrospectively. We focused a lot on individuals and our individual self. Let's talk a little bit about the collective aspect of this, because there's a

huge part of this is the collective. You offer group clearings. How does the collective energy of a group amplify healing? What does that look like?

Speaker 1 (58:22.85)
It can amplify it or if you're not aware of it, I mean, we're all part of the collective. We're all connected. Often, like if you walk through a group of people, you are, you're walking through their thoughts and emotions. You know, every, thoughts and emotions have an energy form. So you're walking through that. It's why people in nature feel so relaxed. Like there's no other people around because you're not walking through other people's energy fields than their thought and emotional, you know, forms.

Remind me of your question again, sorry.

Well, how does the collective energy of the group amplify healing?

Okay, yeah, good question. So it can amplify and that's why, I mean, this is such an exciting time because there are so many people that are waking up and are choosing something greater. So the more people that wake up and that choose something greater, the more that amplifies healing because you're choosing a greater frequency. You're letting go of that fear-based frequency but also environment.

You're choosing the environment of freedom, of health, of vibrancy, of creativity, of flow, of ease, gratitude and appreciation and oneness and such. Look at the power of worldwide meditations. Yeah, there's some groups that have put on like thousands or hundreds of thousands of people in a meditation at a specific time. The power in that, because it's such a high frequency,

Speaker 1 (59:56.146)
It's, you know, on the map of consciousness, divine love is 500 and above. So when you're in a meditation and you're all connecting from that higher frequency and higher consciousness, that's what's going out into the world. And all those that are choosing something greater, all those that want to live in a higher consciousness will align with that. It doesn't matter where they are in the world.

So in that case, when you choose something greater, you're supporting humanity. It doesn't matter where somebody is. It's energy. If somebody else wants that, they will align with them.

Yeah, it's interesting. There are a lot of global meditations that are scheduled that people do globally to address a lot of the polarities and things that we're seeing out there. And it's amazing the ripple effects of it because it's, you know, all focused on the greater good. I think it goes beyond the earth. This is rippling out, as you said, throughout the universe, which is the cosmos. You know, we don't think of ourselves as that powerful.

but we are that powerful. And then when we join in with the collective, because we are all one, we're just experiencing this individual expression of self. It's pretty amazing. So I would encourage people who are out there, you know, jump on if you think that you don't have power to affect and make a difference and are feeling that hopelessness and looking at the greater.

situation of our earth at this moment, that's something you can do and trust me, you're creating ripples. And part of those ripples are even, I think, joy in, you we're talking about this being the great awakening. For every person who awakens and continues to be enlightened on the path, it creates ripples for the next person and the next person and the next person. It's all absolutely intertwined in the most incredibly beautiful way.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00.714)
Even if you're sitting by yourself in the middle of nowhere, you have a great effect. You are just so powerful. So for you, you you have a different level of connectedness and some uniqueness with that. What energetic patterns or are you seeing any energetic patterns that are most commonly popping up with the collective right now?

Patterns. Well, of course a fear-based one. I'm not sure. Like, can you give me more of an idea what you're looking for? Nothing's coming in, so...

that's okay. So for me, you know, we're so polarized, right? It's the duality of this third dimensional matrix is it's very strong and it's breaking down. So some of the collective patterns for me is, you know, just this engagement to hold on to the old and to be stuck in that inequality and the fear-basedness of what's happening. Both are playing out really big right now.

That's sort of, guess, where I was coming at with that question.

Well, one thing that came in as you were talking is the right and wrong concept. And I think that's what's, know, keeping people divided is I'm right about this, you're wrong about that. And the other side says the same thing. So yeah, that's a big pattern. And that's, you know, ancestral, that's generational. The right and wrong. It's also, it's a concept of the 3D because it keeps people separate and then it keeps us weakened.

Speaker 1 (01:03:31.404)
which is the opposite of global meditation and oneness. If you're stuck in that, you can call it pattern or concept or structure, 3D structure. The one way to get out of that is be curious. When you're curious, you can't judge somebody else. When you're curious, you can't say stuck and right and wrong. If you're curious, let's say somebody has a completely different point of view from you. And there's been a lot of that, especially the past five years.

You're just convinced you're right. Ask yourself, you know, why would they feel this way? Why would they believe this? Why do they think that and have open up to new points of view, open up to compassion. And it doesn't mean you have to, you know, jump to the other side. It's not about sides. It's about having compassion and saying, okay, that's why they believe that. It's not what I believe.

but I can understand that and have compassion for them and still choose because they believe that. It doesn't mean they're wrong and I'm right or vice versa, but I'm choosing a different path. So nobody's making anybody wrong. You're just, you're choosing something different.

Those are very powerful words and that's a very powerful, important message that's out there. So thank you for that. I love it. And the curiosity, think, is really raising to the top. super important. Being creator beings, curiosity is a huge ingredient for us to really expand ourselves into our creations and what it is that we want, that we don't even know that we want.

Yeah, like if you get curious and then you can ask yourself empowering questions and what is it that I want that I don't even know what I want, you know, I want at this time and curiosity is a fifth dimensional frequency. So when you're curious, creative, you know, you talked about creating in the fifth dimension. We'll be curious.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30.262)
Yeah. Joy, how do you stay grounded and protected while working with, I mean, you're working with some intense energies, both individually and collectively.

I like to walk in nature. I'm big in nature and where I moved here on Vancouver Island, I'm an eight minute walk from the ocean and then there's stairs down to the ocean. So that's really grounding, you know, the negative ions and such. I've got crystal bowls here. You know, I've got crystals all around. I've got them above my door where I come in on all the windows. In the evening, I've often watched something funny, you know, just to de-stress. I'll watch some kind of comedian or a YouTube or just, you know, not all the time.

but just sometimes to just completely de-stress and let go of everything. Humor brings up the energy as well. I wouldn't say I feel stuck so much, if I am, like I mentioned earlier, there was a bit of a situation. I'll ask myself a question like, what's going on here? What is stuck in this? And just trust what comes in. And I said, oh, I feel trapped. So, well, that's a trauma from growing up.

I just let that go. just anything, you can just send it to the light. You just send it to the light. Just send it to the light. You might have to do it over and over and over again, several times, even days on end, but you have the power within you to send anything that is not working with any fear or shame or guilt or anxiety. Just send it to the light and let yourself feel peace. And even if some people say, I have to do that more than once, or I have to do it over and over again. Yeah.

You do because you've been conditioned and your ancestors have been conditioned in a fear-based environment. So you've got a lot of energy conditioning your thoughts, your memory, the space between yourselves, everything is stuck in that fear-based conditioning. That's what it remembers. So now you're reprogramming yourself. There are biological changes taking place.

Speaker 1 (01:07:31.654)
So you have to do that over and over again and choose what isn't working, know, decide what isn't working for you. Just send it to the light. Like the power is within each of us to change that. But if you feel you're not doing it right or you give up right away, then you're going to just default to what you're familiar with. The energy you grow up in and your ancestors grew up in, thoughts, beliefs, emotions, if you, if fear is familiar, if

you know, violent energy, if guilt, shame, anger, abuse, if that's familiar, that's the energy you grew up in, that's familiar. What's familiar is comforting, what's comforting is your comfort zone. It takes a conscious intention, decision to move out of that. So it's a process of being conscious and aware and choosing that every day.

I would say it, like you said, it took a long time to get to that level of despair, dysfunction. It does take a couple of hot minutes to get out of it for sure. Would you be open to offering a brief energetic clearing or mini healing for our listeners today just to get a taste of what's possible when you start releasing these frequencies?

Click.

Speaker 1 (01:08:51.95)
Sure, absolutely. So I'll start with, first I'll just take a deep breath in and I'll start with just seeing if there's any heavy energies or density that need to be cleared out. Okay, so yeah, the core belief of not enough and there's shame stuck with it. So we're going to witness that all the ways you have been programmed and your ancestors were programmed with.

the shame of feeling not enough of having not enough and then that leads to comparing yourself to others. Let's witness that. Just witness it. Witness and acknowledge. And then like gathering all that energy up. You're gathering it up. All you need to do is breathe. Just breathe. That will move the energy through you. We're gathering all that shame, not enough, all of that and just sending it to the light. Sending it to the light.

Okay, little bit of anger coming up. So we're just going to witness that anger, see that anger being released on all levels, mental, emotional, physical, spiritual, cellular, and release it throughout all time and space. There you go. There is a little bit of fun and laughter coming up. Okay, we can see the child. So this is the inner child. So yes, child, we see you, we thank you.

And we give you permission, child, to choose something greater. We give you permission to feel good, to feel happy, to feel uplifted. And we give permission to your entire self to feel and be at ease, relax, to feel good, to feel uplifted. Just give yourself permission, mind, body, spirit, soul, permission.

to feel good. Yes, you are allowed to feel good. There you go. Any memories from the past, anything you heard, anything you were told that is preventing you from feeling good or preventing you from feeling happy? Any ways in which you believe you're or are told you're not allowed to be happy? Any ways in which you were told or taught that if you're happy, something bad could happen?

Speaker 1 (01:11:15.458)
Let's witness and acknowledge all of that and just send that to the light. Accept and send to the light. Remember, that's not a divine truth. You were taught that, you were conditioned that, and that's what you believe, and I've lived as a truth up until now, but that's not divine truth. So you can let go of that. You do deserve to be happy. You deserve to feel good. And you deserve to feel and be

healthy mind, body, spirit, There you go. Here. Whole self-realize. There's some happiness bubbling up and there's a child feels really, really happy, light, free, safe. Yes. In this moment, give yourself permission and allow yourself to feel and know that you are safe. There you go.

So shukabasa wallah shukoh, wallah ka. So shukabasa wallah ka. Tukabasa wallah ka. So shukabasa wallah ka. Tukabasa wallah ka. So shukabasa wallah ka. Wallah shukoh. Tukabasa wallah ka. So shukabasa wallah ka. Wallah shukoh. So shukabasa wallah ka.

There you go, my friend. Namaste.

Wow, that was powerful and beautiful. I had a lot of feelings with that. So I have to ask you, have you talked light language for a long time?

Speaker 1 (01:12:58.306)
was two, three years ago that it came through, I guess. I actually said to the universe for about a year beforehand, said, want another tool or something I can use with my clients that bypasses the resistance of their ego mind. Cause even though this is energy coming through, source energy coming through, I'm still speaking human words. And when I'm working with somebody, their ego mind can come in cause they want to control. light language,

What it does, it brings in that beautiful, it's like the language of the universe, the language of source. And so it brings in that divine energy, but because the ego mind can't understand it, it just kind of goes to sleep and allows that beautiful divine energy and presence to come in and then a person will receive it. Yeah, I asked the universe to actually open me up to that. So it's been about two or three years, I guess.

Light Language came on my radar a couple years ago. And the first time I heard it, I mean, I was just, I can't even put into words where it sent me. It was such an emotional connection. I'm just curious because it's been something personal for me and I was playing around with it and I thought that I was talking Light Language, but I wasn't really sure. Were you alone and you just started talking Light Language? Like, can you just share a little bit more about this?

I'm super curious.

remember when it first came through, I think maybe just sitting here at my desk, some weird words came through or something. But I remember when I first, you know, kind of realized it was white language and I was out walking. There was nobody else around. I wanted to speak it out loud, but I still, started to speak it really silently and it sounded so weird. Like actually hearing in my voice.

Speaker 2 (01:14:50.69)
Chipper-ish.

Yeah. It was, yeah, it's like, what is this? And like, knew I'd heard, you know, everybody speaks a little bit different and I knew something was coming through, but it was just so weird. And then I started doing it with my clients and, it was really quiet and I would ask them about it. And now I just, you know, if it sounds weird to somebody, it's, and I had one person say, it doesn't sound like anything. Well,

It's not supposed to. Your ego mind is not supposed to know the words because they're not human words.

The energy from it is amazing. I just feel like it's something on my path and it's been at top of mind a lot recently. So when you started speaking it, I thought coincidence. Probably not. So that being said, thank you for your willingness to engage a little conversation with me on that.

That's so cool.

Speaker 2 (01:15:51.246)
Joy, for listeners who would like to connect and work with you, what would that look like and how would they connect with you?

my website courageinaction.com. that's courageinaction.com. And if they want a free ebook, it's messages from spirit. it's channel messages from spirit, both written and mp3s. That option is on my website. They would just enter their email. And I'm also on Instagram and YouTube, which I'll send you that information.

Okay, I'll make sure I get all of that in the show notes and everything. I love the name of your website. That is awesome.

Yeah, because everything we do, every action we take, even researching something or emailing somebody, takes courage. The little actions add up and, you they take those little tiny little actions, even thinking about what you desire, you know, something greater, that shows courage because you're willing to, you know, step out of that 3D consciousness. So it's all courage in action.

Anything next on the horizon for joy.

Speaker 1 (01:16:55.136)
Eventually, I've been asked by several people writing, probably writing a book on money, procrastinating a little bit on that one because I'm better at talking, but actually writing, putting it down. That's like a whole new skill for me. I know how to write, of course. But right now I'm doing a lot of, you know, shows like this, expanding my business, building up my YouTube and such. And yeah, I can see eventually I'll write a book.

Okay, that sounds great. As we're winding up the show, we have three questions that I've been asking each of the guests. Okay. Question number one. If your spirit guides had a theme song that played every time they showed up, what would the song be?

first thing that's coming in is believe in me. yeah, like that's what they're saying, believe in me, it means believe in us.

Question number two, imagine you're creating a spiritual survival kit for someone just starting on their journey. What three items or practices would you put in that kit?

EFT, absolutely. Choosing, asking empowering questions and what if it's possible. With EFT, asking empowering questions and then saying, what if it's possible? If you just focus on those three, they could actually turn their life around.

Speaker 2 (01:18:15.672)
was just going to say that is a very powerful toolkit, very, very nice. You know what, I might put together a book of the different responses I get to that question because I have yet to have someone not have a very powerful answer, but they're all very different.

would be really interesting.

Yeah. So question number three, what do you like to listen to that helps bring you back to center, to that state of inner balance, clarity or calm?

Lee Harris is one. Yeah, he's one of the teachers. High frequency music, you know, it's just something like Shekinah Rose on She Sings Light Language. She's on YouTube. She's got clips on YouTube. And her name is Shekinah Rose. So something like that. Talking to my guys, telling them that I need support grounding. So like I'll see myself grounding.

And that with the energies these days, that's, you know, I do a lot of grounding.

Speaker 2 (01:19:14.543)
absolutely, I would agree with that. And you know what, if you don't mind, I'm going to ask you a fourth question. Okay. What's your guilty pleasure after a day of spirit work? Chocolate, bubble bath, cheesy rom-coms, or something else?

Absolutely. As soon as I'm done here, I'm going to go have a piece of chocolate. Awesome. Absolutely.

and I was going to ask you what kind of chocolate. Dark chocolate is the best. Any last thoughts before we finish?

To be kind to yourself, believe in yourself. What you've gone through, what you're dealing with does not define you. You are way more powerful and more than that. That divine power, that divine courage is within you. It might take a while to get to it, but you're on the path and everything you're going through now, it's energy, it's temporary, it will pass. It might be painful, it might be difficult, but if you can see what's waiting for you, the light, the beauty.

Just focus on that and you will get through this.

Speaker 2 (01:20:14.61)
that is so beautiful. Joy, much gratitude for all your wisdom, your insights today. You've been extremely open and authentic. Thank you for just being, thank you for being you. Thank you. And thank you for all that you're doing for everyone and to uplift the energy in these times. And also I want to make sure to thank all our listeners out there. I thank you for taking time out of your day to join Joy and myself. Until next time.

Remember, embrace that wild soul. Thank you.

Thank you for having me on your show.

Thank you for joining us for this episode of Wild Soul Gathering's Happy Hour for the Spiritually Curious. To learn more about our guests, please go to our website, WildSoulsGathering.com. We're very eager to hear from our listeners what you thought of the episode, topics you might like us to cover in the future, your thoughts on spirituality, questions you may have. Please feel free to send us an email at WildSoulsGathering.gmail.com.

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Speaker 2 (01:21:17.378)
This is your host, Dr. Sandra Marie, sending each of you peace and love. Until we meet again, embrace your wild soul.


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