What If Your Intuition Is Quiet on Purpose? Why Loud Misleads

In this episode of Happy Hour for the Spiritually Curious, Dr. Sandra Marie sits down with Gwyneth Flack to explore the often misunderstood relationship between intuition and intellect. Beginning with a powerful near-death experience at age four, Gwyneth shares how early awareness shaped her understanding of consciousness, creativity, and inner guidance.

Together, they unpack why intuition is often subtle, and easily overridden. This conversation brings spirituality back to something grounded and usable, offering practical ways to recognize, trust, and integrate intuitive awareness into everyday life.

What We Explore

•  The difference between intuition, fear, and learned thinking 
•  Why intuition is quiet and doesn’t “argue” for itself 
•  How the intellect and intuition work best as a tag team 
•  The role of creativity in accessing intuitive awareness 
•  Simple ways to build trust in your inner guidance 
•  How intuition impacts relationships and communication 
•  The connection between intuition, burnout, and emotional overload 
•  Why grounding and nature help reset clarity 
•  The importance of human connection in an increasingly isolated world

Connect with Gwyneth Flack 

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Transcript

speaker-0 (00:00.398)
Hi, I'm Dr. Sandra Marie. Today I am joined by Gwyneth Flack, a transformational teacher, intuitive guide, who has been helping people develop intuitive awareness, creativity, and deeper relations since 2007. She's the author of Limitless, Transform Your Life with Intuition and Creativity, and has taught thousands of classes and private sessions as her way of making a difference in today's world. Gwyneth, welcome to the show.

speaker-1 (00:30.168)
Thank you, it's great to be here.

speaker-0 (00:32.706)
Gwyneth, you've been aware of your intuitive abilities since childhood and you've had a near-death experience. Can you talk a little bit about those and how that early expansion of awareness translated into the grounded practical tools that you teach today?

speaker-1 (00:50.966)
Yes, when I was four years old, had a near death experience. I was stung by a bee and I went into anaphylactic shock, which for listeners that might not be familiar with what that is, your breathing starts to shut down really rapidly and you have to immediately get to the hospital. So luckily my mom found me. She threw me in the car, drove to the hospital. got there.

But when I was at the hospital, I had an out of body experience where I fully left my body. So my awareness was, you might say up in the corner of the room or my awareness was totally out of my body. And I was watching my body from above and I was very aware of just being.

in a state of awareness. So I had this experience of being beyond the body, being in my awareness. That's really a state, if you will, of neutrality, where you don't really have any judgments about anything. You don't have fear. And I was just looking and I had the realization that my body wasn't doing okay, but

that I was okay. It brought me the realization that I was really more than just this child or more than how the world was looking at me as a four-year-old walking around, that I had awareness that was beyond that experience of just being a body. For me, that was really validating. In that moment, I also was aware of

Do I want to come back? And so I did come back to my body and also I had the shot of adrenaline to get my breathing going again. When I came back to my body, of course, I did experience PTSD as a result of that experience down the road, but also what came out of it that was really beneficial and incredibly validating, I would say. In other words, it sort of validated

speaker-1 (03:10.536)
Spirit it validated who I was as a spiritual being because prior to having that experience this might sound kind of funny because I was only four but prior to that experience I actually had been wondering There must be something more to this life than just this is why why do people just see me like a Body and treat me like a body and speak to me just on that intellectual level

of just face value, just taking me as I am as a body, that felt frustrating to me or that I didn't feel seen. And so I remember thinking, why don't people see me the way that I see them? Because when I was walking around, prior to this near death experience, I would be looking at people and seeing them on two levels, on the level of the body.

And then on the level of the soul or the spirit or the consciousness, you know, there's a lot of different words that people might use, but I was seeing what was behind the veneer, what they were experiencing or who they really were that was beyond just what they were presenting to the world. Because as we grow up, we all take on various identities or we.

put up sometimes walls and blocks just to survive and protect ourselves. We don't always know that we do that or we know that we do it, but we don't know how to change it. Or as a child, I was just walking around looking at the two versions. The way that I saw it was who the person really was under the veneer and then what the veneer was that they were presenting to the world. So body and soul. That's why I had felt frustrated because I was seeing people

that way and I was surprised that they didn't see me back the same way that I saw them. And they would have started out as a child with the same ability to see both levels because I do think that children all come in with that ability to see people on two levels. To me, it felt frustrating because I wanted them to see my light.

speaker-0 (05:22.69)
Gosh, I have so many questions from this story. The first one is this sounds like it was a choice point for you. So as you were watching this, you could have chose to leave this earthly life. You made a conscious decision in that moment to stay. You shared that they gave you adrenaline.

that medicine would have counteracted the allergic response. But I will tell you, I worked in emergency rooms for decades and dealt with lot of emergencies. And I can tell you that there were many times when we did everything right and the outcome was not the outcome many people desired. One of the gifts of what I have done in healthcare for so many years has really just made me realize that things are bigger.

speaker-1 (06:03.277)
Right.

speaker-0 (06:14.27)
and they're not necessarily in our control. I'm sort of fascinated at the age of four that you had a conscious choice point to make that decision and that choice. My other question would be, what are your thoughts on near death experience? Like, I can't tell you how many people that I talked to that the near death experience was definitely the turning point in their life. Or for many who had

really lost a lot of those innate abilities that we're born with, they turned on with that experience.

speaker-1 (06:50.858)
Yes, and I think that in some ways having that experience helps you to move through life with less fear in some ways. I mean, even if you have PTSD from the experience itself, there's a sort of joy because you've experienced being limitless. There's a joy that comes with that because we are limitless beings.

And when we know that the expression of that is joy, even if we just experienced that for a few minutes, that experience of being limitless, because we just climbed to the top of a mountain and it's a beautiful day and we just have that feeling of being limitless. But I think that people who've had near death experiences on some level, it clears out a bunch of the extra less essential stuff that maybe work.

We're carrying around, I mean, we all have our burdens to carry. We all have our struggles for sure as humans. On the other hand, I do think that there's something about when a person has that experience that it lets them let go of a bunch of extra baggage that they've been carrying around. it sets in place their own inner certainty about their

experience and being a spiritual being, having a human experience because because you've experienced it for yourself, because all, all spiritual growth has to be experiential. We can't just think about it. We can think about it and we can read a book about it. But then it stays in that intellectual part of ourselves. But when it's experiential, that means we really integrated into our body.

and our body and mind, body and soul are synced up with that awareness.

speaker-0 (08:46.606)
I've had people describe it as very blissful, things that they were worried and feared, like it relieved those kinds of things. It's a different experience and a powerful experience. The other thing I just want to comment on, and you're the first person that I really noticed to say this, because this is like one of my more recent ahas in life, is you went back, like you were a pretty sophisticated four-year-old, I have to say, and you said, I looked back and I thought,

What was I thinking about or what had I asked before this happened? This really was a response from spirit or consciousness to a question you were having. And more recently, I've had a few significant things happen in life. And even when I look back at the past, when I've had some very clear messages and direction from spirit, and I was like, you want me to do what? I've learned to go back and say,

What were you recently asking? Did you sit down and pray for something or ask a question? Or did you have a recent question you were pondering? And I find many times that these experiences where I'm like, yikes, are a direct answer to something that I had been asking was.

really interesting to hear you use that language when you described it, that you took it right back to something that you were thinking of, and that experience literally was your answer to the question. I think that that happened so much, and we're just so unaware of it.

speaker-1 (10:19.414)
Yeah, I love that. think that's so true. mean, and before I had that near-death experience, I was definitely asking, is this all there is? Is the cosmic joke on me, you know, essentially? And I got an answer really quickly. And I think that in life, a lot of our growth comes from actually finding the right questions, asking the...

questions because sometimes a person asks a question but it's not even the question that they're really

speaker-0 (10:53.996)
Yeah, I've learned to watch what I'm asking for with some of the responses I've gotten.

speaker-1 (10:59.03)
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and it can be a really fun practice to just write down our questions and then cross them out. Is that really the question or what's really at the heart of this question? Cross out that, write down the next one, rewrite it again. That's 50 % or more of a lot of times of having a breakthrough or reaching some new level of clarity or inviting an experience. Of course, like you said, we want to be

aware of what experience we're inviting, but it can be a really fun process for our growth or for expanding our conscious awareness in some way.

speaker-0 (11:41.29)
Many people struggle to trust what they sense internally. How do you help someone distinguish between intuition, fear, imagination, or just conditioning? So many of us have so much unconscious conditioning.

speaker-1 (11:58.678)
Yes, I mean, I love to help people to differentiate between their intellect, which is our learned knowledge. And that's really important, of course. And our intuition and it's two different qualities. It's really two very different vibrational frequencies or qualities, if you will. And there's two different purposes. The goal really is to

kind of get our intuition on board because our intellect has been trained right from kindergarten on, you know, as soon as we enter the school system, we are working out our intellect and it becomes the biggest muscle, the dominant muscle. And then of course, if that's the only muscle that we're using, well, just like when we go to physical therapy, you know how sometimes we go to physical therapy because we have a sore back and it turns out we overdeveloped one muscle and some other muscle.

The PT person points out and goes, that muscle, need to do this funny little exercise that will develop that other muscle. And then it all comes into balance and alignment. That's really the same thing with our intellect and intuition because our intuition is, it's so innate. We're so intuitive way more than we realize or know because it's never had been in the spotlight. It's never been given a place.

at the table, at least for most people who grow up in our broad culture. So basically we have to make friends with it in a really gentle and fun and playful and creative way because it's, it's right there, but we have to give it some space. need to create in our lives. Like a pause, if you will, slowing down the analyzing part of ourselves for a moment.

and just saying hello to our intuition and creating some space for it in the world by being willing to experiment or play with it in a low stakes way. And then we start to realize what it is experientially. Like I was saying earlier, it's gotta be experiential because we can think about it and we could even read a book about it or whatever, but really it's the using it and then noticing when it was.

speaker-1 (14:13.996)
working and when it wasn't working and was that my intellect? Because our intellect is in past time. It's holding mental image pictures in our minds from our experiences and it's holding all this learned information and our intuition is in present time. It's always in present time and it's got this very gentle quality where maybe it will be repetitive, but maybe

It might also just get squashed by the intellect because sometimes the intuition will give us something very gently. And it's important to also recognize the intuition is not going to defend itself. That's the intellect. The quality of the intellect, you know, we defend our thesis, we get our master's degree, our PhD, right? The intellectual system is all about defending our argument, defending our position, defending, defending, right? Intuition.

It's defenseless, quite literally. It doesn't defend itself. just gives some information that is aligned for us. And it's never going to give it in a critical way. It's never going to go, you're not good at that. Somewhere where we got invalidated in sixth grade because we didn't do a good job on our math test and we felt shameful and we're still carrying that around. Anything negative, critical, defensive.

all that kind of stuff. That's a quality of the intellect. But also our intellect, to be clear, is really helpful. We need our intellect to edit a book that we write. We need it for doing our taxes. We need it all the time for tons of stuff. But the intuition will give this very gentle, clear, calm information to us. And we can experiment because we can go, okay, I think that came from my intuition. I'm going to experiment.

and follow it because it's low stakes, let's say, this is how we build trust. So it's low stakes, which way is going to be the prettier direction to go for my walk? You know, like that kind of thing. And then when the big stuff comes up, we have our intuition. We don't want to reserve it for just the big stuff where we go, my gosh, I wish I could get in touch with my intuition because I'm changing careers, getting a divorce, want to move to another.

speaker-1 (16:40.888)
part of the country, whatever it is, the big stuff. If we've been practicing with the small stuff, we've built that trust and we go, I know because I have trusted my intuition now at least consciously, at least a hundred times, you know, or something like that. And I can trust it.

speaker-0 (16:59.926)
I never thought of our intellect as the past because it seems to be operating in the present. As you described it, I see the logic in that. Let's go a little deeper into that because we do recognize that there is value with the intellect living in the physical world that we live in as much as there is with intuition.

What is blending the two look like without feeling like you're abandoning reason or you're not abandoning your gut feelings?

speaker-1 (17:31.758)
That's a really great question. Let's say I'm writing a book and it could be, let's say I'm developing a business. So it could be, I'm just going to use book as an example, but a person could fill in the blank and say that they're starting a new company or something like that. So if I'm writing a book, I'm out on a walk one day and I want to write a book. It's in my mind. I really want to write it. And I'm asking the question of,

what would be really aligned for me? What kind of book might I want to write? And so my intuition, my intuitive knowing gives me a couple of great ideas. Let's say like three different ideas show up through my intuition, not through the intellect. And they're really aligned ideas for me, let's say uniquely for me as the body and soul that I am. So then I

use my intuition to choose one of those ideas. Now it could be the same thing for somebody starting up a company. They really want to start up a company that's good for the environment or something like that. That helps people in a certain way. You've selected your idea. The idea showed up from your intuitive knowing, you know, your higher self, and then you've selected it. And then it's time to start to really implement it. Like for me, let's say I start to write it.

then I'm typing it on, wow, this is a huge mess. I've just written five pages and just straight from my intuition, I've been kind of guided divinely in a way to write it. And then it needs editing. intuition, nope, I don't need that right now. What I need is a really clear intellect to do a really good editing job. And good thing I took that, you know, whatever English class or something. Whereas for somebody else, let's say they,

they're going to build a prototype with their hands. I don't know, they're an engineer and they're going to start this company. They get the idea of how to do something and then they build it with their hands using their intellectual or learn skills that they learned through their educational backgrounds. And so for me, then I do the editing. So I use the intellect to really bring it into a form and really clarify it. So

speaker-1 (19:49.354)
If I, if I just stayed in the intellectual, in the intuitive space with it, then I might just be off in the clouds, fantasizing and, not really bring it down and land it and shape it and bring it into a legible form. When we're in our intuitive space, we don't have to be there all the time. We are basically just recognizing and becoming more and more conscious of when we're using it and what it's useful for.

And then when we're using our intellect and what that's useful for is just teamwork. It's really nice teamwork and harmony of working with the two things together, you know, or as a parent, let's say we really need to help our teenager and we're just can't find the words of how to communicate to them in a really effective way to really help and support them. And let's say that's really something that has to come from.

ourselves, somebody else can't just give us the advice. We need to find those words. We might get that from our intuition, communicate to them in this way. But then, you know, our intellect is helping us put that together. Essentially, even though we're not writing it down, our intellect is helping us to form that in a succinct way. And then we're communicating that sometimes we hijack our intuition.

because the intellect, it's more of a rigid kind of energy. It might do that when you're trying to talk to your teenager. Your intuition gives you just the right lovely, gentle words so that you don't send them off running, you know? But then the intellect comes in and goes, and tell them this, and tell them this too, and give them this proof, this evidence. You know what I mean?

speaker-0 (21:36.8)
Well, thank you for the clarity with that. That was really meaningful and important. Really, it's a tag team affair. Yeah. But both have their value and they tag team off of each other. Yeah. Let's switch it up a little bit and let's talk about clairvoyance. You teach clairvoyance. For someone new to this language, the language of the four clairs, what does clairvoyance actually mean in practical terms?

speaker-1 (22:07.246)
mean, it's really clearly seeing our own truth, the truth of ourselves. And the more that we are able to see that, then the easier it becomes to see other people. When I teach a clairvoyance course, we're really tapping into all these different aspects, our ability as healers, our ability to heal ourselves and heal our lives. And I sort of interchangeably use intuitive and clairvoyant. mean, technically,

clairvoyant means seeing, but we don't have to be able to see as in the sixth chakra. You we don't have to be able to see to use our clairvoyance. So it's really a, like just a larger umbrella of.

tapping into innate aspects of ourselves as like for example our healing abilities and our ability to know, you know, our intuitive knowing. All of that is covered in a clairvoyance course. It's all these different aspects of ourselves. Our clairaudience, when we're hearing a message, there's so many different ways that spirit gives us messages or that we can receive messages.

It's a receptive space. so a lot of it is being able to prepare ourselves gently and slowly over time, which I do in a clairvoyance course where you're really creating a nice safe foundation or a habitat, if you will, to be able to heal trauma or heal past patterns and hone your intuitive aspects, all those different intuitive abilities, reconnect.

with all those abilities. So it's a step-by-step slow process because I think that's really the only way to do it because it's a very deep level of spiritual growth or personal growth, which to me is kind of all the same personal growth, spiritual growth, different ways of describing it. It's very deep. The way you go into it is with a lot of laughter and not getting heavy because really anytime we get

speaker-1 (24:21.134)
heavy, it's actually harder to heal. The more we sort of set our space or create the space for ourselves to be able to be grounded, be in our bodies and be kind of tapping into our innate ability to laugh and to feel joy, then it really speeds up the process of becoming more intuitive, more clairvoyant and healing our lives as well.

speaker-0 (24:48.142)
But there really is power in that saying, don't take yourself too seriously. I've been talking to some guests on the power of laughter and the power of laughter with healing. I feel like laughter is going to take a little more center stage to the value and importance of it. In your book, Limitless, transform your life with intuition and creativity.

The book really connects intuition and creativity. Can you talk about how those two are really intertwined? And is creativity a doorway into intuitive awareness?

speaker-1 (25:23.34)
I mean, the two are so linked because really our imagination is really a healing space, a healing habitat. We, are all imaginative creative beings. mean, we really are creative beings born that way. It's through our imagination and through our creativity that we do heal ourselves and that we heal our lives. I mean, it really is through that process, but just like with intuition, it

really gets kind of squashed or invalidated at a young age, these powerful abilities that we have. Our creative power is really powerful and in the best way from love. And our intuition can guide our creativity. know, like we can choose how do we want to be creative? Well, what's aligned for us? Because we could be creative in so many ways.

And what's aligned for us as a soul or what's aligned for us just for the day to have fun or something like that. Yes. I think that it's a space that's interrelated because I think when we're being really creative, we naturally start to tap into our intuition anyway, because it's this space where you've, you've stepped out of just being in the intellectual go, go, go.

do, do, do space and step into that creative space, you know, and this is whether you're playing a guitar, writing a poem, gardening, whatever it might be, sailing or something, you stepped into a different kind of space and it's a receptive space and it's a space where we're tapping into our imagination and then our intuition shows up as well. Or likewise, if we start to recognize how creative we are,

But sometimes our creativity, actually sometimes we channel it into negative ways and our intuition can help us with that too. Like we might channel it into worrying. That is actually an act of creativity, but it's just not one that's really very beneficial for us because it causes us stress.

speaker-0 (27:36.078)
Yeah, no, I've had someone tell me that worry is just another form of prayer. And when you think about it, really is that you need to be very conscious about the power of the worry and what you're creating with it. I love how you explain this because I think creativity plays a role in everything we do. You talked about the poems and the writing and that's

aspect of it as well as maybe the more mundane things in life or gardening. But for me, it's part of everything you do. You can create negatively, but you can also be in a negative or what is perceived to be a negative situation. And creativity still has a big role in it. Initially, when you talk about creativity, think of joy, joy, joy, happy, happy, happy.

But I remember during the pandemic, was working on Navajo Zuni reservations and creativity played such a huge role because we didn't have supplies and we didn't have what we needed. And it was an area that already was very impoverished, but now we had even less to deal with it. I think that

We don't connect the two that we are very creative with our solutions a lot of times and how we problem solve. It feels like it's part of like everything we do.

speaker-1 (29:11.96)
Yes. mean, I love what you said. It all so true. mean, our, creativity can get us out of life or death situations. Very, mean, like what you're describing.

speaker-0 (29:22.345)
So you said it so quick and simple. Yeah.

speaker-1 (29:24.782)
It's really our creativity. can bail ourselves out of all kinds of situations using our creativity. Whether it's a financial situation that we're in or, my gosh, I've got to figure out, okay, wow, I'm figuring, you know, your creativity will amplify really sometimes, especially the less resources that you have, sometimes the more creative you are. And if you look around the world at different groups of people and with very

few resources, wow, the creativity is off the charts because there are no other options.

speaker-0 (30:01.294)
Yeah, I mean, very impressive things that we don't even hear about half the time. We're living in a really overstimulated, fast moving world at the moment. Gwyneth, what is one daily practice someone could use to reconnect or become more aware of their inner guidance in like under five minutes?

speaker-1 (30:24.942)
grounding themselves. Visualization, it's like a creative visualization of grounding yourself. And that is incredibly helpful. Distractions going on in the world and the news and the, you know, the fear and the struggle and the suffering, everything going on is very easy for us to just kind of leave the building, so to speak, leave our bodies. And that causes us then to feel more stressed or more overwhelmed.

or more spaced out or disengaged in some way. So just grounding, I ground myself every single day. And also it's very useful to just turn down the analyzing part of myself when that part starts to get really amped up analyzing all these things that are out of my control and trying to figure out everything, all these things that I can't necessarily figure out. Whereas if I ground myself, turn down the analyzing part,

and ask what can I do that makes a difference? How can I serve today? What can I do to improve the conditions around me in some way? And I try to do that from a grounded space where I'm tapping into my intuition and I'm looking at what my intellectual skills are too, because those are going to come together to serve in some way, right?

speaker-0 (31:46.047)
That tag team thing again.

speaker-1 (31:48.128)
Yes, starting out the day, being grounded and being embodied is another way to say it. Finding a way, you know, I teach certain way, a certain way of grounding, but a person could go out and take a little short walk in the park, depending on if you live in the city or the country or in the woods or go play with your dog or your cat, you know, something that really grounds you. Fear is what sends us out of our body.

speaker-0 (32:15.976)
Yes, and I appreciate that you brought up some really simple things that I think that people, many times people are already participating in activities. They're just not connecting the real power behind them. When you talk about playing with a pet, cat or dog, or even if you're outside and someone is walking a dog and you know, they're cool with you interacting.

with that pet, it can be as simple as that, but recognizing how that resets you and not the power of it. I think a lot of times we're not consciously aware.

speaker-1 (32:54.578)
One other thing I would say too is get out and communicate with somebody. Cause I think sometimes when things get really rough and we're having just a really grumpy day or we're just struggling a lot of stress, we're worrying about things, we're, you know, we're struggling on any level. Sometimes we can just get so much in our head. And if we just get out and have a conversation with somebody, it really can change our energy very quickly. And we go, okay, all right. I'm connecting with other humans. It's so important.

Communicate, communicate. And if you feel like I don't wanna communicate, that's a sure sign. Get out there and communicate with somebody and you'll feel better.

speaker-0 (33:34.164)
And you're talking about communicating in a more personal way versus using a device or does a device count too?

speaker-1 (33:43.694)
would say get out into the, you know, whatever, you're just going to the grocery store and you're just shopping and you're standing in line and there's somebody really that's friendly. I mean, cause obviously you're using your intuition about who, who you want to interact with, but just having those little interactions where you say something kind to somebody or they say something kind to you, or you're just talking about that spring is here and

something like that, very simple. can be very simple. It doesn't have to be a profound communication. mean, ideally get out there with a good friend or if we don't have family around us or something like that, just get out into the world, take a walk and say hello to somebody. I feel like what's going on in the world right now, a lot of people are just feeling isolated and in their heads or alone or their struggles they're going through, they don't know how to.

talk about it or they don't want to share. There's just this energy of making us want to hide or make ourselves safe or be just off in the corner. Don't see me.

speaker-0 (34:48.974)
would agree with the isolation. mean, we're having the highest suicide rates with our youth and depression, all those statistical things. If you start looking at them globally, the World Health Organization actually has named that one of the top health priorities is the loneliness epidemic. Yeah. Even if you go out when you're talking about being around people and just go into the grocery store.

a quick little interaction. think it's important that you don't have to be meeting with someone specifically, like I don't have anyone to call. So a lot of times I'll talk about 100 % service to yourself is equally as important as 100 % service to others. And in that simple situation, walking into a store and holding the door open for someone pushing a card out or holding a couple bags of grocery actually meets that definition.

That person feels really good and happy and acknowledges that you held the door open for them and you feel good that you held the door open for them. And it is 100 % service to yourself as well as 100 % service to others. So it doesn't always have to be some big event. We just need to get back to the simplicity.

Let's switch over now that we're talking a little bit about relationships. You have talked about expanding awareness to heal relationships. What shifts internally when someone approaches conflict or tension in a relationship more intuitively?

speaker-1 (36:21.312)
Yeah. So you're saying hello to each other on a deeper level. Cause once again, if you have two people in a relationship, you know, whether they're best friends or whether they're in a marriage or whatever that is a child or parent or whatever, if we're able to, when we're practicing being intuitive, we're also starting to see people beyond their veneer.

beyond what they're just presenting to the outside world. If you will, we're tapping into that remembrance from when we were really young, when we were a baby and a toddler and, you know, up until maybe age six or seven, where we really were walking around having that awareness. And so if we come back to that becoming more intuitive, I'm not saying become a child or whatever, but become tapping into our intuition helps us to literally start to say hello to people.

Spirit to spirit. It's is a real thing where we're saying hello And in fact, I have my students even do this in class where they just say hello to each other non-verbally Spirit to spirit and it's an immediate healing and it's so simple and it's just a matter of I just set people up, know We get grounded and we get into our space and we're in a happy space and and then I have them say hello to each other and

That hello that the students give to each other is just incredible. It's incredibly powerful. And you can literally, you feel it, you experience receiving that hello. That is really, to me, that's at the basis of a relationship. A successful relationship is that we're able to say hello to each other, spirit to spirit, non-verbally. And once we can do that, of course, we can be in another country where we don't even speak the language.

We could say hello to somebody. When we say hello to somebody like that, we can say hello to a baby like that. We don't even have to speak the same language, or it could be that in a relationship sometimes we don't feel like we're speaking the same language.

speaker-0 (38:28.194)
Does that line up with when people say, thanks for calling me? That's so weird. I'd been thinking about you for the last couple of weeks.

speaker-1 (38:36.63)
Yeah, I mean, that's like pragmatic intuition where like where you hear your phone, you hear a text come in and your your phones over on the other side of the room and then you you think about this person, that's Jill or something like that. And you look and you go, it is Jill. That's pragmatic intuition, which is more like telepathic communication. I mean, it's all connected. It's all connected. Like we're all telepathic. A lot goes on telepathically between each other. But

The spirit to spirit hello is part of that. It's just that it is like a little more focused, let's say. Like if I'm intending consciously to say hello to somebody, spirit to spirit and everything softens when that happens. That's the nice thing. So if you take two people having a conflict, one is even able to say hello. The other person doesn't even have to know how to say hello. One person says hello. A lot of times it really softens the conflict. So then all of a sudden,

It's like an exhale or, you know, it's like an inhale and an exhale. Okay. So a little bit of the defenses can go down and also being able to give each other space. That's an experiential thing. Cause once again, it's not physical space, not like, I'm sitting five chairs away from you. It's like, we could be squished up next to each other on an airplane or something. And I could be giving that person space, but in a relationship.

how often do we consciously, actively give people space to be where they are, wherever that is? Because that's a great starting point for two people to be able to then start to get into authentic communication with each other. And so that's another thing that I teach because it's experiential and it's a little hard to explain, but we all have experienced.

being given space and not being given space. And so like sometimes when we're growing up, let's say our parent didn't give us enough space. They were just, it seemed like they were always just energetically just in our space. That's when somebody's not giving us space or likewise, maybe we had a parent that gave us a lot of space. So they were just not energetically getting in our space. They were actually giving us space to just be who we are and

speaker-1 (41:01.378)
develop in a way that's very aligned for us, let's say. But that shows up in a relationship too. If we can learn how to say hello, give each other space. Wow. We're creating this really great habitat for authentic communication and for growth and for being able to bring ourselves into present time because the intellect gets us stuck, of course, in past time with what happened in the past.

speaker-0 (41:29.848)
So a lot of what we talked about today has been about the intuitive and the intellect and how they tag team. You brought up the telepathy and that that phone call thing was more like an intellectual telepathy. And in the spiritual community, there's a lot of talk about people's telepathy expanding and turning on and that perhaps we're gonna see a lot more of that. And the more I've...

gotten into that. What I'm realizing is I feel like the telepathy may not be this intellectual type of telepathy, but it's going to be a heart to heart type of telepathy where we sense each other on that more heart loving kind of way. What are your thoughts on that?

speaker-1 (42:14.574)
I don't know, intellectual telepathy, that's an interesting way to put it. was thinking of it like just telepathy is just nonverbal communication, spirit to spirit, nonverbal. But in a way, I guess you're right. Like if it's like just some words, like a text or something coming through, like you were thinking of it like that. Yeah, that's kind of interesting, like intellectual telepathy. Like somebody's saying, hey, do you want to go out for lunch? The text comes through.

So you were asking about the heart to heart telepathy, right?

speaker-0 (42:47.618)
I think that's going to be a big thing that's going to come to the forefront soon.

speaker-1 (42:52.64)
Yeah, I mean, it's so important to come into our heart space and be in our heart space. And that really softens our communication too. And so I do think that spirit to spirit, hello, immediately brings us up into that beautiful telepathic heart space that you're talking about, which is really powerful.

It's magnetic. It's like a very magnetic space, that heart chakra, you we really magnetize. I mean, I think that we're always telepathic. The thing is, is because we don't realize how intuitive we are, we're walking around having some form of telepathy all the time. That's what is the interesting thing. Because we don't know, we're oftentimes

reading, we're reading the room, we have that expression, which is kind of cool, right? We say, did you read the room or, you know, is this person good at reading the room? Well, we are reading the room, whether we know it or not. When we develop our intuition, we can consciously read the room, we can consciously read what's going on. But if we're unconsciously reading it, that's where things get kind of funky or kind of mixed up.

because we're reading something, but we don't know exactly what it is that we're reading. Sometimes we go into resistance to it. We hit something, we're around somebody and they have a certain energy that somebody in our past had and we didn't like that energy that somebody in our past had. And that person has that same energy even though they're a totally different person.

And they could actually be a fabulous person, but we just unconsciously go into resistance or judgment. And so we start to judge because we don't really understand. But if we have, if we have our conscious intuitive awareness, we can go, it's just an energy. That's just some thought forms or some pictures in my mind that are in past time in my intellect. And that I make this association with this person.

speaker-1 (45:08.104)
And actually we have all this in common. Like I've seen sometimes with students, like I had two students years ago that really kind of didn't like each other. They would keep each other at arm's length. They were a little judgmental about each other. They admitted this later on. When they started to have that hello, that spirit to spirit hello with each other, and they started to read each other through learning, training, intuitive, you know, being trained how to read.

and they started to release lots of energy, lots of matching energy between them, they suddenly realized how much they had in common, that they had way more in common than different, and they started to actually collaborate together on some creative projects. If we're not consciously intuitive, it really can be tricky. Sensitive souls out there.

speaker-0 (45:58.356)
Yeah, so let's go a little deeper into that. You've worked with healthcare providers and mental health professionals. How does intuitive development complement clinical or structured training?

speaker-1 (46:09.858)
Yes, I mean, so many mental health professionals like this work and have done this training and doctors and nurses and all kinds of people. But yes, because it's giving you another layer, they know that they're being intuitive, but they don't always know how much they're being intuitive. And they don't always know how much they're being impacted by the energy of the world and by the energy of the people that they're helping.

They're carrying around. Basically, if you're working with people a lot in any capacity as a healthcare person, a mental health, or as a school teacher or whatever it might be, you're out there being a healer. It almost goes without saying that you're a healer, you're innately intuitive and you're out there helping people, making the world a better place. But in the process of not realizing how intuitive you are, you don't realize how much you start to.

take on and carry from everybody that you're helping. It's not the fault of the person that you're helping. It's that you don't realize, because you think, well, it's okay. I'm really strong. I can handle this. I can take on lots of responsibility. I can think my way through this. And those are the people that really get impacted by the energy of the world, energy of all the people that they're helping. After a while, those people really get

affected in a negative way. They start to feel burnt out or stressed or anxious. They're feeling what their people are feeling because they're walking around with that, not knowing how to release it and especially not knowing how much they're carrying.

speaker-0 (47:52.044)
Yeah, there's a lot that goes with that. We could probably do a whole nother show on that just because of the passion of mine having spent so many years working in those environments. But I do want to flip into, know that nature is really important to you and you talked about grounding a little earlier. I believe you can live close with nature. How does your time in nature enhance your intuitive clarity?

speaker-1 (48:16.502)
Yeah. So, I mean, going out into nature really gives me space to be. It really allows me to have some space and slow down and experience that really important pause is what I would call it. Like that energetic pause where you just move into a different kind of flow. So going into nature helps you with grounding and becoming more grounded for sure, because you're really matching

the energy of what's around you. Because as humans, we're matching energy all the time. We're matching energy when we're at work. Ooh, you know, that can be really challenging. We're matching energy when we're with family, family that we like, family that we have a hard time with, depending. We're matching the energy of the grocery store or the culture that we live in, whatever it is. When we go into nature, we start to match the energy of nature. And that's in a whole different...

space, completely different space. Time's not even the same, right? So there we are, you know, our nervous system starts to calm down and our mind starts to quiet the analyzing part of ourselves. And then if we can learn to kind of say hello in a really mindful way, really like a spirit to spirit hello, like I was talking about to other people, we

We can say that to a tree, can say that to a rock or to the stream or in nature to sort of deepen that relationship because healing always goes both ways. There's no just one way when it comes to healing. It's not like I gave you a healing, you know, it's like every time I'm giving a healing, I'm receiving a healing. And when I go into nature, nature is giving me a healing and I can be in a healing space back to nature too and slow down and

and say hello, because so often, I mean, we just, walk through nature, but we're not really being aware or mindful of what that space is like, what that has to offer. And the timelessness of that, spaciousness of that, that really has nothing to do in a way with this crazy human world that we're living in.

speaker-1 (50:39.7)
other than, I mean, of course there's the negative impacts that we're doing to nature as humanity, but nature itself, it's in this whole different space, just like an animal, just, just like an animal is as well, just in a different way.

speaker-0 (50:55.286)
Yeah, I am gifted to be living on a farm that I steward right now that's pretty rural. I would agree, like once it's different than when I lived in the city most of my life, honestly, even just taking a walk through the local Metro parks or something like that, being out here every day. On a lot of levels, it's not always so intentional because it just is what it is every day.

And having animals at least two times a day, if not more, what the weather condition is, I am out in nature. And I've really come to like that. And some of my most invigorating moments, honestly, have been really taking care of things when the elements can get a little intense. And there's something about it that just, you get really connected.

with the nature and the earth in a very different way in those moments. And it just brings out this whole other level of your being that you don't recognize at other times.

speaker-1 (52:01.516)
Yeah, it's true. mean, we have a maple syrup business too. it's, it's, we're entirely in. Mother nature decides when the SAP is going to flow and it is flowing right now. And we can't schedule that. We can't even schedule anything when the SAP is flowing it's mother nature. And it's a really interesting way to be in relationship to your work, you know, making.

speaker-0 (52:07.592)
So you're busy right now.

speaker-0 (52:27.202)
Absolutely. So Gwyneth, for someone who's interested in working with you, how would they do that and what would that look like?

speaker-1 (52:34.478)
They could send me an email through GwynethFlack.com, my website. The easiest, most direct way to communicate is send me an email or take a look at the website and see what the offerings are. There's next offering is on May 2nd. It's an intuitive tools class that will meet four times. And if you're a nurse, you can even get nurse contact hours for this online series. Yes.

And yeah, there's, there's going to be a retreat in August in Puget Sound that actually nurses can get contact hours for that. And you can see that all on my website and also a mini one day retreat here in Vermont in my maple sugar woods. Yeah. Nurse contact hours for that too. The May 2nd one is open to absolutely everyone. You don't have to be a nurse or a health professional, but.

The one out in Washington is for health professionals and healers and healing practitioners and coaches, all kinds of people, doulas, whatever you might be.

speaker-0 (53:35.17)
Very nice. I have one last question for you as we're winding down. What is the most important thing we didn't talk about today?

speaker-1 (53:44.622)
Gosh, it seems like we covered so many good things. Self-love, that's really important, especially in these times. Giving ourselves and using our creativity, using our imagination to visualize just filling ourselves up with the energy of self-love. It's really powerful because sometimes we just forget that we're in such a space of responsibility and doing and giving.

that we forget to just give ourselves that as an energy, see it as a big golden sun full of self-love. It's a good antidote to the times we're living in.

speaker-0 (54:22.286)
Yes, for sure. The world could use a lot of love, but it really does start with each of us. Gwyneth, it has been great having you on the show today. I have absolutely loved our conversation. For all our listeners out there, thank you for taking time out of your day to join us today. And this is, for me, my last thought from this conversation we just had is intuition doesn't require perfection. It requires being present. That is...

been my takeaway from you today, Gwyneth. So maybe the invitation this week is just simply to pause long enough to hear what each of our inner voices is telling us and has been quietly saying all along. Until next time, thanks again, Gwyneth.

speaker-1 (55:10.498)
Thank you. It's been a delight.