Do You Need a Psychic… or Do You Already Know? What Most People Avoid

What if the reason you feel overwhelmed isn’t because you’re doing it wrong…
but because you’ve never been shown what to do after the awareness hits?

In this episode of Happy Hour for the Spiritually Curious, Dr. Sandra Marie sits down with intuitive guide, psychic medium, and animal communicator Kimmie Haliburda for a grounded and wide-ranging conversation that bridges intuition, healing, and real-life integration.

From animal communication and rescue work to energy healing, intuition, and even extraterrestrial curiosity, this conversation moves beyond surface-level spirituality and into what actually creates change.

👉 At some point, the shift isn’t about more tools. It’s about ownership.

Inside this episode:

• The difference between awakening and emotional overwhelm
• Why insight alone doesn’t create change
• The biggest misconceptions about psychics and energy work
• Why you don’t actually need tools to access your intuition
• What animals understand about healing that humans often miss
• How trauma, environment, and love shape the healing process
• The shift from ownership to stewardship (with animals and land)
• A grounded perspective on ETs and expanded consciousness
• Why real transformation requires you to stop outsourcing your power

This is a conversation that moves between worlds:

• human and animal
• physical and energetic
• intuitive and practical

And brings it all back to one question:

👉 What are you actually doing with what you know?

Connect with Kimmie Haliburda
https://www.kimmiehaliburdapsychic.com

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Transcript

speaker-0 (00:03.084)
Enjoy this Wild Soul gathering production. I'm Dr. Sandra Marie. Pour yourself a really tall glass of spiritual curiosity and join me for the happy hour for the spiritually curious podcast. In the spirit of happy hour, cheers to some new insights, peace, revitalization, and perhaps an aha moment that may change your life. Hello, Dr. Sandra Marie here. Today's guest does a lot. She's psychic intuitive, does animal communication.

mediumship energy work and somehow manages to keep it all grounded and down to earth. Kimi Halliburta was born with her spiritual gifts activated. Later, she earned degrees in sociology and philosophy, which should make this conversation especially interesting. Today, we will be exploring consciousness, rescue work, quantum healing, and even a little extraterrestrial curiosity.

And trust me, this barely scratches the surface. There's a very good chance we'll need to have her back on the show again. Kimmy, welcome to the show.

speaker-1 (01:09.326)
When you put it like that, I feel like such an accomplished person.

speaker-0 (01:14.414)
Well, you absolutely are, and it's great to have you here. Let's jump into this a little bit. Kimi, it's my understanding you were born with your spiritual gifts activated. When you chose to study sociology and philosophy, were you trying to understand the world more deeply or trying to understand yourself more clearly?

speaker-1 (01:36.558)
So that's a really, really good question. It's really, and we'll go back to the trying to be very down to earth, because I'm not a person who really mystifies a lot of things. Like there are a lot of mystical things and I try to keep those things easily digestible, especially for my clients, because I want to be very relatable. And I want to be somebody who's easy to talk to, which can sometimes be difficult because I very much have ADHD.

And sometimes I don't totally understand myself. So I have a bachelor's in sociology with a concentration in environmental issues from UT. And I wanted to go into that because I specifically wanted to study environmental issues that impact people on a daily basis. I wanted to understand more about climate change. It wasn't so much about understanding me, it was more about understanding the world and how certain people do have.

privilege and how those privileges look different from that of others. So that was really the focus for that and just a really deep love for our earth and the healing capacity that our earth bestows upon us and honestly I think could really heal herself if given the opportunity.

speaker-0 (02:51.714)
What's really interesting is how timely everything is that you just talked about because it all seems to be really coming more to the forefront now and rising up as it's really decision time for many of these things. When you were sitting in these academic spaces, did it change the way you were interpreting intuitive information? Because I would guess that you were pretty strong intuitively by that time of your life.

speaker-1 (03:22.19)
Yeah, and so the answer is kind of twofold. And I'll also just say quickly, philosophy, really went into, it actually wasn't anything profound. It's just that I really liked existentialism. And I thought if I'm going to go to school and I'm going to pay this much money, I want to go do something that I could make a career with, which would have been sociology. And I want to go do something for me. It had less to do about spiritual gifts and more just I was just a big nerd and I wanted to

learn more about existentialism. I'll answer your other question by saying this. So I do have my bachelor's, but I recently earned my master's in sociology with a concentration in political economy and globalization from UT. That did it enhance my psychic skills. I think it more so opened me up to understanding people in a way that

I think like on a foundational level helped me to interpret what I might be seeing or what I might be feeling from others, like in the middle of a client session. It gave me a more open and like a more expansive worldview than I had before, especially during my master's program. But it also, what's interesting about that and what I do think really helped my psychic ability was

I had very dysregulated ADHD and I had to become more regulated. I wasn't a typical student, like I'm old. Like I'm an old student. And so even when I earned my bachelor's, I was 27 whenever I graduated with both my bachelor's degrees and I just turned 35 in November. And so I wasn't a traditional student. I had plenty of time in between where I was raising my kids to.

And so I think that it just gave me a more expansive worldview in which to compare things, if that makes sense. So for example, I have a better grasp on issues that other people face than I did before. So cultural appropriation is a huge thing in the spiritual community and I just don't.

speaker-1 (05:44.386)
participate in cultural appropriation or I try to, I wanted to understand also more so like, and this wasn't a primary objective of me going back to school, it's just something that happened. It's something that came with the territory of going back for a master's in sociology is that I learned a lot more about cultural appropriation on an academic level. And then I was able to compare that to what I was seeing within the spiritual community and what I didn't want to participate in.

speaker-0 (06:11.822)
Can you explain that for people who may not have heard that term before?

speaker-1 (06:16.302)
So cultural appropriation is where we take things or practices or rituals or even ideas from other cultures. Cultural appropriation can happen across any culture, but it's really mostly, it's white people, it's people of European descent who take these ideas and then they make them their own. Or for example, I was in a facial interpretation class.

And it was me and probably about 20 other people. It was a fairly large class. And there was a person who was all decked out in Cherokee garb specifically, but also I live in Knoxville, but like we're close to, mean, there's Cherokee North Carolina is not that far away. These very sacred lands that belong to the Cherokee peoples.

And maybe they had Cherokee descent. I had seen that person several times in the same space and I had never seen them dress up in that way before. But upon talking to that person, it was very clear that that was cultural appropriation. It was something that they just decided that fit with them. it wasn't so much that that was their heritage. Right. And so it's taking something and giving themself a name. And another example is

you you hear the term spirit animal. And while I had a friend of mine who is indigenous and she said, you know, really everybody has spirit animals, but it's still be careful about how you say it. And I was like, well, what would be the best way that I could say it? Cause I teach an animal communication class. And so I would say things like animals that you relate to animals you identify with. And I always make a note when I'm teaching animal communication to not say spirit animal. And I actually always say, well,

I don't use spirit animal because of this, this, and this, because it is cultural appropriation. She told me that it would not be a bad idea to use like totem animal or just to give the idea of the animal that you identify with, which is what I had been doing previous to our conversation. So sometimes I say totem animal, sometimes I'll say animal guide or something like that. Those are just a couple of examples of appropriation.

speaker-0 (08:33.741)
I appreciate that though, because I did work and live on Navajo Nation and worked with the Navajo Zuni populations for a couple of years and had many conversations with them and was gifted to be invited into some of their ceremony and practices. So I think that it is important to recognize everyone's role with that and make sure that

that the practice and the lineage that goes with it is the lineage that it belongs with while we're using it. So I appreciate that.

speaker-1 (09:09.174)
And I was just to say, it's one thing to be invited in, that's very different. Exactly. It's very different if you're invited in and it's, you welcomed and you know, you'll understand like what is appropriate, what isn't appropriate, that sort of thing. When talking about your experience outside of that space too, which I wish that more people in the spiritual community had that understanding as you do, Dr. Marie. Like I really do.

speaker-0 (09:14.403)
Exactly.

speaker-1 (09:37.538)
because a lot of folks don't and they just appropriate and it doesn't help anybody.

speaker-0 (09:41.696)
So to take that a step further, what have you noticed about the way modern culture engages with psychic and energy work?

speaker-1 (09:50.166)
I could answer from a few different perspectives. So I am in Knoxville, Tennessee. I am in the Bible Belt, right? And that's seen as a very, not always, but a lot of the time it's seen as a very negative, like, and I don't even want to say you're playing God. I want to say, well, you're playing with things that you shouldn't be playing with. If I looked at it from more of like a, just a local, like religious perspective.

And this is where I think I have a disconnect from a lot of people who I know that you're a Reiki master and I am too. But I think I have a disconnect because I, from a lot of folks who practice energy work, because I just so totally don't mystify it in any way, or form. And I just see it as like, this is a universal energy that we've always had the ability to connect with. It's there. It's always been there.

it's available for anyone to use and it doesn't have to be complicated. Like to honor Reiki, yes, you still want to go through the classes. Yes, you want to learn the symbols and the sigils. Yes, you want to go through the steps. You want to learn how to also appropriately clear your own energy so you don't have transparance with another person. But I just view it as something that's so totally demystified. So I think what I'm trying to get at is

I have a very hard time caring about the world's judgment of things that I do. have a hard time locating shit to give. It's just, I'm like, this is what I do. It's just a universal energy. It's not.

speaker-0 (11:34.158)
Yeah. I feel you sister. Currently, I'm in the foothills of Appalachia. Appalachia. Make sure I say that right. never do. Appalachia. Thank you. I appreciate that because I do usually hear that I don't say it right. I've been practicing it though. That's okay. And it is different. And I think initially for a hot minute, like I got caught up in all the judgments and you know, at this point it is, I am

speaker-1 (11:43.842)
Yep.

speaker-0 (12:03.32)
who I am, this is what I do. A lot of these practices actually were born out of these areas with people. And I think that they have lost touch with their own heritage perhaps on some levels. And I find that fascinating, but I don't find that as my purpose or why I'm here. Like I am here to enhance, uplift, evolve, bring the energy up for myself.

I do a lot of land work with this piece of land that I live on that has also experienced an enormous amount of trauma over the years, both with the natives and with strip mining and, you know, there were roosters that were raised here for fighting purposes, that kind of stuff. there's been...

a lot of healing and energy work that I've done just within the land itself. So it's sort of like we have this give and take relationship where it heals and grows me and I heal and grow it. And it's been, I think, a journey for both the land and I in a very beautiful, positive way.

speaker-1 (13:16.654)
I love that so much. There is a lot, mean, it depends upon where you are in Appalachia too. I mean, I think that most land has trauma, if not all land has a certain amount of trauma.

speaker-0 (13:32.054)
At this point in the game, yes.

speaker-1 (13:33.678)
Absolutely. Appalachia is weird. So we have weird mountains. There are spooky things in them. We talk about them, but we don't question. You know, you hear something go bump in the middle of the night and you walk right back in your front door and you lock it and you just don't think about it anymore. know? And so healing the land though is terribly important. Okay. This might be a little bit off topic, but I had a, have a

speaker-0 (13:53.358)
Yeah.

speaker-1 (14:03.564)
friend or a client, but I consider her friend. She has had so many hauntings in her house. Like she'll clear it out and then it'll come back and she'll clear it out and it'll come back. And there's limestone under her house. And I learned this recently, a dear friend of mine named Jennifer actually teach a few different classes with Jennifer on spiritual hygiene and whatnot. And it was during one of our spiritual hygiene classes and she asked if there was limestone under her house and said, limestone is a portal, but it's also very common.

to have limestone under your home in Appalachia, which I, it makes a lot of sense because there's limestone mining out here. But I'd never really thought of that before. I didn't realize it was a portal. So I think that that's part of what you have as far as activity in the land. And then that can lead to trauma if it's not cleared. So I did learn that recently.

speaker-0 (14:44.078)
you

speaker-0 (14:58.766)
It's interesting, I didn't know that and I do have limestone cliffs on the south end of the property. But it was interesting, I had some pictures initially when I moved here and they were definitely spirit orbs. And I have a very good friend who is a medium, Rick Hayes, who's been on the show a couple of times. And he's like, hey, you've got friends, my friend. I'm like, Rick, I really like.

can we get together at like, really need you to clear all of this out. And he was really clear. He goes, these are people who lived on this land a long time ago and they're not really sure of you, but they're spirits that you want. He goes, you don't want me to move them out. And I was like, wow, that's a first because I've lived in other places that had really uncomfortable energy that had spirits that he is.

cleared for me many times and he's never told me before that these were beings that I wanted to keep. We can have a whole separate conversation about that journey and where that's gone and that is actually actively still very alive. But I'll save that for another day. And what I would say is pretty much anything on the show goes. So you just go for it. That being said, Kimmy, have you found any what you would consider

misconceptions about psychic or energy work that you enjoy dismantling. Like you really put yourself into this and you're very thoughtful about it.

speaker-1 (16:30.702)
appreciate you recognizing that because sometimes I think that I don't, it's just like any Tuesday for me, right? And it's not that I have access to gifts that other people don't because everybody has access to their psychic ability. It's just that for me, I had so much remembrance from past lives. It was just there. It was just there and I didn't really have to work for it. And it was surprising to me as I grew when I realized that other people couldn't really tap into this stuff, not as easily as I could anyway.

And for some reason in particular when it came to mediumship and animal communication, specifically with intuition, I think a lot more folks have quite a bit more intuition than they realize. And I think they just call it instinct, which we do have instinct, but we also very much have an innate intuition in all of us. What I would say is there is a lot of misconception about, and I want to preface this by saying I think I work different from a lot of psychics.

I think that I do. I don't know for sure, but I, from what I've heard from clients, from other psychics that I've talked to, I believe that I work different. I think it's fine if people need to use tools. There are spiritual tools there for a reason. They're great for opening up your gifts. I teach a class on tarot. I mean, it's a great tool to use and learn.

if that's something that you feel called to. Pendulums are great in most circumstances. They are not always the most reliable, but they're all right. You can use dowsing rods. There's so many different things that you can use to tap into your gifts. But what I think a lot of folks don't understand is that, number one, you don't really need any of that because you always know. You just don't realize you know, right? Like you don't actually need a tool. It's nice to have a tool.

I'll pull my Oracle cards out every now and again and just ask, hey, what's a message for me? Or I, and I won't ask my pendulum yes or no questions necessarily because I know I can move my pendulum. So I don't want to do that. So I'll shuffle my cards and I'll just, I'll ask my tarot cards. I don't do very frequently, but I will every now and again. I'll say, you know, give me a yes or no on this. And if it's a bright, pretty color card, then I interpret it as a yes. And if it's a dark kind of dim card that I interpret it as a no. And then there's sometimes there's things in between.

speaker-1 (18:57.922)
And I think that a lot of people feel that they have to have a tool to tap into their ability, but they don't. And you asked about psychics in general, I argue everybody's psychic, but about people who really promote themselves as psychic, right? And I know that you feel that everybody's psychic too, because we are. I always tell people, know, I'm a psychic, I'm not a mind reader. I'm a little bit of a mind reader.

bit of a mind reader though, I'll let them know that. But I do that quite frequently actually. But you know, it doesn't help when you go to a psychic to try to ask them trick questions. I usually I'll say, okay, what is it that you really want out of your session? You know, most people don't do that kind of stuff. Sometimes you get somebody like that, then you give them an answer. And then they're like, I guess I should just shut up and actually just let this lady talk, right? And then that's always really fun.

But there's a misconception that a psychic is a mind reader and they're not. There's also a misconception that I believe anyway, that you go to an energy worker and that they have this ability to heal and like fix a lot of things that's wrong with you. Number one, a lot of folks who do energy work do not have their own lives in check. That's what I've seen. Sometimes I look at somebody who goes into Reiki and it's like, were you gonna be a Reiki master or were you gonna be a realtor? Because I feel like those are two things that people

Sometimes they don't know what they want to do in life, so they just choose a thing to do. Which is fine, we're all learning, we're all growing. A lot of folks who do energy work don't necessarily have their lives together. I'm gonna say it like this. Don't ever assume just because you're going to somebody else that they have every answer that you really, really need to hear. Or that they're gonna fix everything for you, because you need to look at that person and conceptualize them as sure they're psychic, but they're also human beings.

They also have things that they deal with. There's probably some part of their life that they're not very happy about. They don't have everything together. Don't take all of their advice as something literal. Like do take the advice if you want, but you don't have to. And when you go to get energy work, I guarantee you that that person has things that they are also very stressed out about that they wish they feel like they could fix.

speaker-1 (21:16.866)
Well, here you are coming to a person for energy work wishing you could fix something and you're relying on, you know, you're asking somebody else to fix it. And I know that you know the type of client I'm talking about and that's not every client, but there are some who like they'll see you over and over and over again and say, okay, well, I need this fixed, I need that fixed. And it's like, this other person's a human being with issues too and they're not gonna be able to clear out every single thing for you.

speaker-0 (21:42.2)
Well, I think the other piece to that is people don't realize they have the ownership in their own healing.

speaker-1 (21:47.554)
Thank you, exactly. And so how is it that this person is gonna fix everything for you when like it's up to you to do the work to fix it? And that might sound really, maybe that sounds blunt. I won't take every single client. I'll take most clients, but I don't take all clients. Because I can tell, is this person really gonna put in the effort to fix things for themselves?

because I do a certain amount of life coaching too. But I will set up kind of guidance sessions with someone, but I also always remind them that I can give them all the answers and advice that I possibly can, but it's really up to them. And they also need to listen to their own inner guidance because that's more important. That is so much more than what I can give them. If you can quiet your mind and listen to your own inner guidance, that's really where your power lies.

And I say that as a person who, although I'm a psychic and although I'm very in tune, sometimes it's hard for me to see answers that I need to see about my own life. So I have a couple people that I will go to to ask questions to about certain things that are, you know, kind of a roadblock for me or a problem for me. But I know that at end of the day, just like I tell my clients, it's really up to me and my own decision-making to get me through that problem.

speaker-0 (23:14.378)
Exactly.

speaker-1 (23:15.424)
I'm not saying that there isn't a lot of value in energy work because there is. There is so much value in energy work. There's so much value in talking to someone who's highly intuitive. I think that the most value in that is learning that we are all just people. We all have issues. We're all trying to get through this 3D world, like this 3D life. And that

Anything that somebody else can do isn't something, it's not something that's so mystical that you can't sit and really listen to yourself and tap into that same kind of energy.

speaker-0 (23:51.566)
I think that that's really important and that'll be important for people to sit with because I think you need to sit with that for a little bit to understand that everything doesn't come from the outside. comes real healing, understanding and evolving really comes from the inside. I do want to shift. You've talked about the animal communication. You've brought it up a few times. So you foster special needs rescue dogs. What originally pulled you into the

Rescue.

speaker-1 (24:21.644)
goodness, I'm such a sucker. I'm such a sucker. I've been in rescue for a long time. It wasn't always special needs dogs, but then it ended up being special needs dogs. I don't know why. I think I just like a project. I always end up with these dogs in particular, like super stressful times of my life. And then I'll have a dog who like can't walk. And I'm like, okay, how do I help this dog or?

My dog, her name is Mango. Mango has a sad story, but it turned out to be quite a beautiful one where she got hit by a car and was gonna get euthanized. And it was really an awful situation. And it was December of 2020. So we were in the middle of COVID and I couldn't actually go into the vet office with her. But my oldest son's dad actually found her. She was left at the bottom of his driveway.

And he lives in an area where people dump dogs frequently. But she had been hit by a car and her tailbone was all messed up. It was just, it was so bad. What actually ended up saving her life was acupuncture, which I tell people that and they're like, really? I'm like, yeah. Acupuncture, really? that like, cause my vet recommended it. So we did acupuncture every

week and then every other week and then every couple weeks. Like we spaced it out and we did that for about nine months straight. And she have full mobility back. She still has kind of choppy steps, but she can jump like seven feet in the air. It's really amazing. So sometimes I think it's more about, I know that I am the bridge to, and I don't adopt a lot of my fosters. It's extremely rare. I'm really, I don't have like a million animals. I really don't.

My family, have three dogs and two cats, and that's not that much for someone who's been in rescue for a long time. I think I'm just really a bridge for animals who know that, that I'm not saying this with ego, I'm saying this from like a sole contract level, okay? Who know that I can help them, that they need to get to me and I will fix them and get them to where they need to go. Does that make sense? Like it's-

speaker-0 (26:39.716)
It does.

speaker-1 (26:40.696)
totally attracted to me.

speaker-0 (26:43.982)
That doesn't surprise me.

speaker-1 (26:46.766)
These four busted dogs. And sometimes it's really serious. Like I had a puppy, he couldn't walk. He had total atrophy in his legs and he'd been in a really small crate for a few weeks. He had to stay for a few weeks. I think it was literally two and a half weeks because they didn't know what he had. He showed negative for every illness they could test him for. And his name's Parker. Parker has a beautiful life now in Massachusetts with his sister, Maisie.

He was a Cattle Dog mix and it's funny because Maisie's also a Cattle Dog mix. Anyway, Parker couldn't walk. Parker had atrophy during that couple of weeks at the vet hospital. And so I had to fill up my bathtub. I had to do like, you know, poor woman's hydrotherapy. I to fill up my tub and got him like a little, like a swim vest. And I had to like hold him.

I had to hold him up by the handle on the back and just let him kind of move his legs and I did that every day for I don't know like a month or so and it helped him build his muscles back and he finally got to where he was okay and he was able to be adopted. I've had a lot of animals like that. I have one who's special needs now.

speaker-0 (27:58.488)
Well, so in your experience with working with these animals who've experienced this trauma, what have they taught you about healing that's, that humans sometimes miss?

speaker-1 (28:09.058)
Well, what they've taught me about healing is that if you're given love in the proper environment, you can really truly heal, truly, truly heal on an emotional, on a mental, on a spiritual, and on a physical level, just as much as you want, really, honestly. And I do want to say this though, we all have a higher self, all animals, and sometimes our higher selves, we have a contract and we say, okay, well, we're going to go through this life and experience this particular thing.

And that is not always good. Sometimes it's a really devastating autoimmune disease. I have a lot of autoimmune disease in my family and it does not feel very genuine. And in fact, it feels quite harsh to say, you have, think of something really awful. Like you have MS, right? Oh, you can heal from that if you want. I have a niece who has rheumatoid arthritis. She's only 24. She had JRA and it was never treated. Basically her parents were not very good parents and she had a lot of medical neglect.

speaker-0 (28:59.746)
I will.

speaker-1 (29:08.05)
and she ended up permanently disabled, but also she has really good days and really bad days. I would never tell her, well, you can heal just as much as you want. But the truth is with love and with determination, you can do a tremendous amount of healing to the extent that your physical body will allow, right? Like you can eat anti-inflammatory foods. You can choose to not put up with people who are really bad to you. You can do that.

you can put yourself in a better environment to be loved, even if that better environment is saying, okay, well, I can't live with my husband anymore because he's so mean to me. I'm literally gonna move back to my mom and dad's house and try to recover from whatever this is, whether that's just, I don't wanna say just, whether that is emotional trauma or whether it's physical trauma or both. Like there are ways to get out of a situation.

And I want to say this with a caveat, not all the time, right? Some situations are way, way, way harder than either of us have ever experienced. But I will say that there is a choice to say, I'm going to get better, I'm going to do better, or I'm just going to continue to be okay with poor treatment, or I'm going to continue to abuse my body and not feel good. You're not going to feel good if you don't do good things for your body. And to wrap that around animals is that

They truly genuinely have taught me if you have the right space to heal, you'll be okay. Being okay looks different for each person.

speaker-0 (30:42.584)
I think that that's important and I know just in the couple of animal rescues that you shared, they were all unique and different. It's my understanding that you describe humans as guardians of the animals rather than owners. What shifts energetically or psychologically just when we change that language?

speaker-1 (31:06.85)
de-centering the human and understanding that we're all just here to live out our lives, to learn the lessons that we need to, but you're vastly different from one another. And it puts a focus on more of a, I want to say more of an inequality between humans and animals. Who can really own someone else's soul? You see what I-

speaker-0 (31:33.834)
I was going to say ownership in anything. I will say even we talked earlier about the land, a little bit how my relationship with the land has shifted and the healing. I rarely will say that I own this farm. I now refer to it as I am a steward of this property. steward the property. That is a huge shift for me. I see the farm or the land obviously as a living thing. It shifts the whole relationship, I feel like. Honor versus...

speaker-1 (32:01.048)
Mm-hmm.

speaker-0 (32:03.822)
steward. It's an equal relationship. You each have a give and take in it.

speaker-1 (32:09.964)
Yeah. Absolutely. I love that you use Stewart over the land. It so doesn't feel good to say that you own a living thing. I mean, it doesn't feel good to me. It doesn't feel good to you. It's a very controlling, domineering energy, I think. And I know that now for legal purposes, you have to say, I'm the owner of this cat or I'm the owner of this dog. And I'm like, first of all, that dog owns me if anybody owns anybody. Number one. Right? Like that cat.

speaker-0 (32:37.622)
Boy, isn't that the truth.

speaker-1 (32:40.084)
It's like, like my cat might not be on the deed of my house, but we know who owns the house and it is him.

speaker-0 (32:45.848)
For you, have you experienced a moment in the rescue work that truly fundamentally changed how you understand consciousness? Have you taken it to that bigger level?

speaker-1 (32:55.916)
Yes, I have. It was with my dog. So I had a dog named Zeus and Zeus, I had him for about 10 years. I had him since he was a little bitty puppy. was about seven weeks old. And Zeus was not a very nice dog. He always had aggression issues. I'm not sure why, but he always did. He didn't really like anybody. He was also a cattle dog mix. I just have a thing for cattle dogs, I guess. They are not always known to be very friendly dogs.

You know, they're nippy and they're snappy and if they don't like someone, they really let them know. He just was kind of displeased with the world. But I loved this dog and I always felt this connection with him that I'd never felt to any other dog that I've ever had, anyone else in person in my life. Because the connection was so strange. It was like I'd known him for so long and so many lifetimes that I...

always felt connected with him. Even when he passed, just, and I still do, I felt this immense connection with him. And I'll tap in and say, hey, Sue, you send me a message about this? And he will, every time. But what's so funny is that, and to answer your question, is that when he went to pass, he did very much so on his own terms, and he made it happen on his own terms, on his own timeline, as all animals do. Humans don't always, but we do a lot of the time. Animals,

do. And animals main, their main concern domesticated animals that have people that they care about. They worry about their humans and how their humans are going to handle it. So they kind of plan their exit like, okay, well, if I exit like this, then this is going to be less stressful on my person, right? Sometimes it's not always that people pick up on those cues and then the animal ends up suffering for longer than they really needed to. And I'm talking about like euthanasia avoidance.

But like animals will let us know when they're ready, right? Sometimes it's hard to know, but they will let us know. And then we kind of fight in our own consciousness if it's okay to let them go. Whereas animals, it's like, yeah, I'm just going to get a new body. I'll see you in a few years if I feel like it, right? Like if I feel like coming back into a new body. And when Zeus passed, he straight up, he was like, I don't like being in a body. He's like, you know me as a dog, but I'm not a dog. I'm not a dog. And so...

speaker-1 (35:18.926)
I'm like, okay, Zeus, right? And he passes and then he just, it was so strange. He really introduced me to the idea. We can really incarnate into just about anything we want to. And we really do have the capacity and the ability to come in as a horse if we want, or to come in as a whale, or to be a person again, or whatever it is, or to stay in spirit form.

He taught me that soul contract, even if you're having an issue with a person on a very 3D superficial level, that doesn't affect your soul contract. It doesn't mean that that person, just because someone you love so much and you're having a really, really hard time with someone that you know and you feel in your heart as somebody who is always there, that you recognize them from a past life and that they should continue to be in your life in this lifetime.

It doesn't mean that there's a problem on a soul level. Everything can be totally fine on a soul level. It's just a 3D that we're immersed in. Those are the things that are right in front of us. And we have to live with the things that are right in front of us because being in our present life is power, right? Like it's a power in and of itself just being present. So he taught me on a soul contract level that even if things don't feel okay, they're really okay.

And that was a lesson that truly, genuinely expanded my understanding. It was one thing for me to talk to animals. It was one thing for me to be a medium. It was one thing for me to, you know, read people's thoughts or whatever. But it was so expansive for me to digest, not just to hear it, but to truly digest the concept of everything can really be okay on a soul level. Even if it doesn't feel okay in the hearing now. Yeah.

speaker-0 (37:14.606)
I have to say that's really hitting big with me and as with many of the shows I do, this will be one that I will sit with for a while and think about. So that's a big one. So I'm going to ask this question if animals could clearly communicate, but obviously animals can clearly communicate. But I'll ask it this way, if animals could clearly communicate one truth to humanity right now, what do you think it would be?

speaker-1 (37:43.837)
goodness. It is a big one. Hang on, I'm gonna ask, I'm gonna ask Seuss for fun.

speaker-0 (37:45.518)
That's a big one.

speaker-0 (37:52.344)
Perfect. Hey, Zeus.

speaker-1 (37:55.138)
And I'm gonna ask my little pit bull, Flapjack, he passed away in September, 2020.

speaker-0 (37:59.02)
That's perfect. I love that we're getting it from the dog's mouth.

speaker-1 (38:03.136)
We're getting it from both. I'm gonna ask both of them. Well, Flop Jack's just full of love. Flop Jack says, he says that nothing really feels okay right now, but everything's really gonna be okay, but it's going to look different than we think. And he's saying that from a perspective of, least tell me not to overcomplicate it, hang on. Flop Jack is saying it's really not that hard to love each other. It's very much a human construct while we don't.

And that's where Flat Track is coming from. That's CIS perspective.

speaker-0 (38:36.629)
Okay.

speaker-1 (38:37.58)
And to truly understand each other is not just enough to love, you have to truly understand.

speaker-0 (38:43.214)
It's so simple, but yet so deep at the same time. Thank him.

speaker-1 (38:46.478)
Understanding advantages and privileges and lack of privilege and all that and people's oppression leads to that love and leads to a true understanding if you can be open enough. He didn't say all that. That's what I said. I'm just building on what he says. And Zeus says that there's so much fear, but in the end, well, Zeus has a big, okay, well, this is huge. He says there's been lots of

planets like Earth and that, says there's been lots of planets like Earth. That staying in fear and being afraid of everything, being afraid of destruction on a global scale does not help. It doesn't help anything. just makes the energy of the world a lot more chaotic and unstable. But he says there's versions of Earth, plenty of planets like Earth. It's not that we

die, it's that we shift and we change form. But the goal is to not, if you cannot be in fear, if you can step out of the collective fear and really focus on things that bring you joy and focus on ways that you can help other people and really listen. Don't listen to other people to respond, but really listen to understand. That will open your heart space and help you stay out of fear.

speaker-0 (40:15.66)
that. Listen to understand, just to listen. I had a guest on the show that said one of the last big addictions that we had as humans that we really needed to overcome was the addiction to be right. Yeah. So it sort of plays a little bit into what Sue said. Tell them both thank you. That was really important messages.

speaker-1 (40:39.086)
Soos is like, I'm here all day. It's like, and Flapjack's just happy to...

speaker-0 (40:46.766)
You tell them, I'll catch up with them later. Kimmy, I've personally been exploring a lot on telepathy lately. Yes. And it feels like telepathy, honestly, might look a little different than when I was initially envisioning it, because I do think that telepathy is going to step up as everything is evolving. But it's not as much going to be thought communication.

speaker-1 (41:05.581)
Yes.

speaker-0 (41:13.454)
but it's gonna be related actually more from the heart, a heart telepathy. Almost like an expansion or an offshoot of what it feels like to be an empath. And I say that gingerly, having been a raging empath a lot of my life that was not necessarily something I saw as positive. What are your thoughts on all of that?

speaker-1 (41:33.72)
Heart to heart connection is very, very, very, very, very critical to be able to communicate with not only other people and as you said, not just to understand and just as a space of listening, but the heart space, it's like, and I've said this so many times to friends of mine or like when I teach classes, especially about animal communication, it's like, you know that saying, I feel it in my chest. It's like, if you feel it in your chest, you know it's real. Heart to heart.

And I think it's fascinating to think of telepathy from the heart space, like just that knowing, like that knowing, that like true understanding. Because like when I think of telepathy, I think of I'm sitting right next to someone, I know exactly what they're going to say. I could literally stop them and be like, let me say your thought for you and say exactly what they were going to say. But that doesn't come from the heart space. That comes from like, like it's like beep, beep, beep, beep. That comes from right here. It's like a wifi signal. The heart to heart connection.

in telepathy, I think that is a beautiful way to look at it and also probably a lot more accurate than thinking mind to mind because there's so much clutter in our minds that it's hard to know if you're getting a clear message. With heart to heart connection, I'll say this, a really great way to practice that and you could apply this to people too, but a really great way to practice that.

without worrying so much about transference and picking up on like a person's issues or a person's problems and then like that kind of clouding up your energy for a while. Because when you do energy work or when you do psychic communication, like you don't want to keep somebody's issues in your field, you know. Let's say you were to ask a family member.

who has an animal and maybe you know a little bit about them, but you don't know a lot, right? Like maybe they have like some medical problems or whatever that you don't know about. You could ask them to send a picture and I actually tell people this in my animal communication class, because it just think it's really fascinating you're talking about telepathy from the heart space, because like I always teach to communicate from the heart space with animals specifically, but I don't see why you couldn't apply it to people, because the heart is such a healing space. But if you open up your heart space,

speaker-1 (43:51.446)
and you kind of draw like an energetic line from your heart to that animal's heart. Like let's say you have a family member, they send you a picture of their animal and you just make sure it's a picture where you can see their eyes and like look at the animal and just kind of open up that heart space and open that up for them. Just ask, see if, know, just ask in your head like, is it okay if we talk Mr. Wiggles or whatever their name is, right? Or.

Can I talk to you about this or are you open to talking to me or whatever? And typically you'll hear yes or no, or you'll feel yes or no, you'll feel good about it or you'll feel like, maybe I shouldn't do this. Typically, almost all animals want to talk. I've had like one ever that just totally turned his back on me. And it was a horse and he had a bad attitude, so whatever, that was fine. But I was like, he turned around and I was like, okay, excuse you, excuse me.

But if you have a picture of an animal that you don't quite know about, but you can say to yourself, okay, I'm going to try to pick up on three, four, five things about this animal. I'm going to write them down as quickly as they come in. And then I'm going to shut off that connection, disconnect those cords and say, thank you. And then you can say, you know, does Muffins have a problem with her tummy? Or does Roscoe have a problem with his front right foot? Or.

Did this animal come from a puppy mill or did this cat, did you buy this cat from like, I don't know, like an exotic cat breeder or something like there's different things that you can ask. Like you can write the things down, but just ask questions. Like this is what I felt. Do any of these things apply? And you will find that more often than not, whatever it is that you're seeing or feeling or whatever, that is something that that person could tell you yes or no on.

More often than not, you'll find out that I think people who start animal communication are right about 80 to 90 percent of the time they don't even realize it.

speaker-0 (45:57.868)
Interesting.

speaker-1 (45:59.15)
So, and you can do that, I mean, I always suggest just asking somebody you know with an animal, because that way you have direct feedback. You can just say, I would like to practice animal communication and just so and so have a problem with this, this or this. Yeah, or are you thinking about going on a trip and then, because animals also read thought forms and they really know when we're about to leave to go on a trip. It's not just about like the mechanical movements, because that doesn't happen until like the day before or day of, right?

speaker-0 (46:13.838)
because

speaker-1 (46:29.002)
It's about the thoughts that you're having and they pick up on that.

speaker-0 (46:33.516)
wow, that's interesting. That takes it a whole new level other than they saw me pull the suitcase out of the closet. Yeah. So they know it's really a lot more evolved than that. Well, are you ready to take a little bit different cosmic shift? I would ask if you're ready to take a more cosmic shift. But I think a lot of people listening to this might think like, well, how much more cosmic are you guys going to get? So it's my understanding that you have an interest in extraterrestrial contact. Yes.

truly genuinely intrigues you about that possibility.

speaker-1 (47:06.51)
goodness, it's so, I wasn't even looking for it. I was just on my way home one day and I got this message, this very clear message and it was an extraterrestrial. Okay, I'm gonna preface this by saying I have a very dear friend of mine, her name is Michelle Lee. Well, she has passed away, she passed last April. She was in her early 70s and she passed of an illness very, very quickly. Anyway, Michelle and I were very close friends and she was like the B psychic to go to in Knoxville.

And she was also the animal communicator. And now lot of people see me because we did a lot of work together. And I don't think a lot of people do animal communication work out here, but anyway. So I remember that I was driving home and I saw a really funky looking alien thing. And I called Michelle and I was like, cause I know that she worked with extraterrestrials and her healing. And I said, Hey, Michelle, and she was a fabulous healer. Like really, really, really, truly, I mean, extremely gifted healer.

I said, Michelle, I saw this alien and I described the alien and she says, that's Allferion, he works with me. He works with me, especially when I'm doing, because I have migraines and she would do a lot of work on my migraines and she'd bring him in. And because he was really good with that and like microscopic work. Anyway, like for whatever reason, he was good with like molecular healing and like.

stuff on basically like a microscopic level. And I didn't understand it. I was like, whatever, that's cool. You bring in whoever you want. I just don't have a migraine anymore, right? But I saw him and she had never described him to me just vaguely before, but I saw this alien and I was like, well, he just came to me while I was just driving home and I just got this, hey, like this pop in. And then he had another alien with him and I described him and she had never mentioned that she was working with a second alien on a couple of different things.

And so I described what he looked like and she was like, yeah, that's exactly who this is. And then I started seeing more aliens and I said, hey, I'm seeing more of these creatures, but they all look different. And like, I started seeing these weird things with like, and like in my mind's eye, right? And I started seeing these things with like these big, almost like spoons at the end of their fingers. Like they're really wide fingertips and some of be really, really tall and some of them be really short and they just all looked so different.

speaker-1 (49:27.414)
And I like, I just kept seeing all these weird beings. So it just kind of happened. It wasn't really anything that I looked for. It just sort of happened. So I tend to get a lot of like extraterrestrial contact in my sleep, like in my dreams. It's not anything that scares me. It's just that sometimes I'll wake up and I'll know that I'm receiving contact and I'll look out my window.

and I'll see a bunch of stars and stuff, and then I won't be able to remember the conversation the next day. Like I'll look out and then I'll say, well, I guess that's just a download for later. And it doesn't ever freak me out, but it is just something that happens. I've done the CE5 protocol a few times as well. So the CE5 protocol, it is a protocol that is supposed to help you with alien contact specifically, and there are groups.

speaker-0 (50:12.141)
What's that?

speaker-1 (50:25.48)
that get together to do CE. But it was created by Dr. Stephen Greer. He has a whole app, it's like the CE5 contact app. And Stephen Greer had done all this research anyway. And he'd come up with a guided meditation and different things that you could use to make this extraterrestrial contact. So I've done that a few times. The most overwhelming experience that I had

during like trying to do one of those protocols was there's this concept that he explains of like seeing yourself where you are, like literally your immediate physical location, like what's immediately around you and then expanding out to like your city and then expanding out to like your place on the continent and then like that continent's place on the earth and basically making yourself an antenna for contact. But he goes out to the concept of understanding that

like space is limitless and to bring in the concept of space being limitless while you are this little beacon, right? It just totally blew my mind. that was really profound. the meditation in and of itself was very profound. And I've had plenty of contact through that. Not anything that scared me out. I think a lot of people are very afraid of extraterrestrial contact and I just, I'm really not.

speaker-0 (51:53.314)
That's interesting. personally welcome it and I'm excited for it to happen. I think that it did happen one night. Actually, I had a brother from North Carolina who, because I invite them in all the time. I'm very rural and there's a lot of activity and aberrations in the sky that are fascinating. I've got some really interesting pictures of highly unusual.

cloud formations, like square clouds, things that are really odd. And he had a contact one night and I remember he still talks about it as if it just happened, that's how profound it was for him. And I remember going out the next day on the back deck going, like, I invite you in constantly and you visit him. Like, what's the deal here? The one night I did actually go out, like, I see a lot of activity in the sky.

especially at the two, three, four in the morning and I get woken up and at one point I was thinking that it was something waking me up and I did go out one evening and spend what I thought was five or 10 minutes out there and it turned out it was an hour out there. And there was a lot of interesting things going on. So I'll say that I wasn't communicated with, but I feel like I definitely was that night. I think of communication as we're communicating, right?

So I need to get out of my head with some of that. I have a lot of fascination and curiosity about it. And I think there's a lot more to come to that story. But for you, what are you most curious about?

speaker-1 (53:30.904)
about just extraterrestrial contact in general? Well, what I am personally most curious about is, so it's not like we only incarnate on Earth, because there's lots of places to incarnate. There's, I mean, plenty of souls that only incarnate on Earth. That's cool. When I've done any type of like past life regression or I did like a QHHT session, I didn't see myself as just

speaker-0 (53:33.934)
Yeah.

speaker-1 (54:00.012)
being on Earth. Like I saw myself like in lots of other places and planets that had very different environments and that I was kind of sent to Earth. And that's just what I'm saying from like my experience of past life regression. That's not something I, I kind of had a feeling that was the case that I probably literally had some alien roots somewhere, which is a wild thing to talk about, but whatever, right? Like that's what this space is here for.

speaker-0 (54:29.56)
I actually very much relate to that. I feel like I definitely have galactic heritage and you know sometimes when I look up there it's almost like a longing and I'm missing some kind of connection that I've had there or that I still have there while I'm here. But I have a question now that you brought up the past life regression for people like you and I were actively going through this very significant shift.

speaker-1 (54:49.549)
Yeah.

speaker-0 (54:57.078)
and evolution and it's sort of fascinating that we're recording this on February 17th when there's a lot of astrological changes and there's this eclipse and stuff and you know, is that a coincidence or is there something more to it? Who knows? I don't believe anything's coincidental. But that being said, I believe that time being seen as linear is clearly falling by the wayside. And for you,

If time isn't linear, how does that shape the way you understand past lives and potential futures?

speaker-1 (55:30.574)
That's a really, really great question. and to fully answer your other question, I'm very interested in extraterrestrial contact because I would like to learn more about myself.

speaker-0 (55:40.672)
Wow, great answer. I love that.

speaker-1 (55:43.606)
So, I mean, I know that might sound really weird, but like, I don't know.

speaker-0 (55:48.494)
That doesn't sound weird to me. I love the answer.

speaker-1 (55:51.278)
thank you. I have a close friend of mine and I think she's from the same weird planet that I'm from. I don't know. This is the answer I can give you. I was doing some candle work because I teach classes on candle work. I do a lot of manifestation work, that kind of stuff. I was doing some candle work back in October and it was like, what I was doing was quite significant. Like it was a whole three day thing.

And I called in my friend Michelle who had passed, who was this really wonderful psychic, and I called her in to help. I said to her, I said, I'm sorry, this is taking me a while. And she's like, and she laughs and she's like, she's like, time doesn't matter here. And I like, I was like, oh, and she's like, it's all the same. It's all the same. And I'm like, what do you mean? And she's like, well, it's kind of like.

all time and no time at the same time. Like it's...

speaker-0 (56:52.33)
All time and no time at the same time.

speaker-1 (56:54.966)
And I'm like, okay, cool.

speaker-0 (56:57.912)
We'll call that a Kimmyism.

speaker-1 (56:59.572)
And apparently, well, that wasn't for me. was from Michelle, spoken through me, I guess. But I was like, what do mean? she's like, Kimmy, just get to it when you get to it. And I was like, okay then. And that was really about as profound as it got. But I thought about it and I realized that, because then when I, took me like another 20 minutes or so when I got all my stuff set up and I called her in and she's like, well, I've been here a whole time.

from what I understood in that interaction, time doesn't really pass in the same way that we think of time passing. And it makes me think of, I had this idea, I guess because I'm terribly masochistic, I had this idea about two and a half months ago to watch As Dreams May Come, and with Robin Williams, or What Dreams May Come. What Dreams May Come? I think it's What Dreams May Come. Anyway, that movie. And there's a part in the movie where he's talking to

his wife and he says, or they're having this interaction and they're talking about time and they're like, well, what if we reincarnate? And then the lion has said, well, you know, what feels like a lifetime on the other side is just five minutes here. And then it shows them being kids and then meeting each other on like this boat dock. And I thought that was so funny because I have this feeling that I...

needed to watch this movie. And I say masochistic because I cried for like, my eyes were so puffy that I said, because I cried so hard during this movie. But anyway, and I was thinking of that and it's like, time really so totally isn't linear. I don't really understand how it works on the other side other than what I've been shown. That people, especially like in mediumship, people can kind of suspend themselves in time. They will often show themselves as

a version of themselves that they want you to see as they want to be remembered. They will come through as something, like especially men who have been in the military or women who have served in the military, they come back and they show themselves as like younger and very strong, like in their military garb and all that, right? Like in their uniform. It's funny, I would think that they would only show themselves as like how they were when they passed here in this physical plane, but that's not the case. That's not what they do.

speaker-1 (59:20.396)
People show themselves as how they want to be seen once they've passed. It's so totally not so much about linear time at all. I don't ever pretend like I have all the answers. What I can say is time is different. I don't fully understand the mechanics of it. I also understand that we can do a tremendous amount of timeline healing.

We can jump timelines. We can shift into a totally different timeline that was not very likely if we really, really wanted to. And by say it was not very likely, there's all these different timelines of potential. And I tell clients like what I'm doing a reading, say, well, I'm going to tell you the most likely timeline of potential, but you can ask me other questions. I'll tell you how likely I think it is. And sometimes those are good things and sometimes they're not, right? Sometimes they're things that the other person doesn't want to shift into.

But if you want to shift into something that isn't on your very likely timeline of potential, like you can make that happen. So like we're all really time masters too in that way. And I don't think others think of that.

speaker-0 (01:00:31.672)
There's so many questions. I have so many more questions I want to ask you. But right now, if someone is listening right now and they're thinking, I need to talk to Kimmy, how would they begin? And what does working with you actually feel like?

speaker-1 (01:00:45.652)
They would pick up their human phone and they would talk to me with their human voice. So I love being able to go way abstract because I don't, really so totally don't do that very frequently. It's not that.

speaker-0 (01:01:00.724)
my god, I have a whole list of other questions, but we're really getting short on time.

speaker-1 (01:01:04.61)
Girl, we talk anytime. Anytime, really. My website is Kimi Halliburto Psychic and you can go on. have a contact page if folks want to send me a message. My business number is also it's 865-224-6858. I'm in the Knoxville, Tennessee area, but I do a tremendous amount of remote work. do remote healing work on animals and humans.

I do, that's so funny when I say it like that. It makes me feel very separate. I'm really totally not trying to sound like that. I do remote healing work, including with animals. I do readings. mean, I have some clients who live on the other side of the world. I do readings for them. The energy is all the same. The energy doesn't shift. So the physical distance doesn't matter. Those are the best ways to get a hold of me. I am open to seeing people in person in and around the Knoxville area.

but I also see people via Zoom and I always record Zoom sessions, then I send that to clients and that way they have something to go back and listen to and maybe they have some other questions or something afterwards as well.

speaker-0 (01:02:13.72)
Perfect, I'll make sure that I include all of that in the show notes. I do have one last question for you though. What are you currently exploring or questioning that fills just beyond your own edge?

speaker-1 (01:02:18.193)
Yeah.

speaker-1 (01:02:25.528)
That's a really good question. I'm trying to figure out twofold answer. One, I'm looking more into extraterrestrial communication because I think it's fascinating. And also I think there are a lot of downloads there that I need. And number two, I'm just figuring out like how to have fun. It feels so far beyond my own edge of like any kind of concept.

I'm trying to figure out how I just chill out and have some fun. Like have fun, but I don't relax enough. And that's just a really honest answer. It's like, there's always something to fret about. There's always something to worry about. How do I in this lifetime, in this body, just chill? And just like, I'm very much a silly goose. Don't get me wrong, but how can I be more of that? And that does not feel.

within my grasp at this moment. So I am trying to understand very raw, very organic answer, how I have more of a work-life balance, how I still do the things that I want to do, and how I can have fun and not worry so much about, I don't know, like just not worry about all the things that I try to guide other people on not worrying about.

you know, why is it so much easier for me to tell other people than it is for me? And so that might sound really rudimentary, but sometimes, I mean, it's just hard to figure out how to relax.

speaker-0 (01:04:03.618)
Sometimes I think, especially when you're working with all these modalities and in the energy environment, they do put up a blind so that you can continue on with your own personal journey and path. So it does seem obvious to other people, but that doesn't mean you still don't have your own path to walk. More to come on that. I think we could talk about that a little more. Kimmy, this was such a thoughtful and wide-ranging conversation. Thank you for bringing both.

really depth and play into it, because there was fun with this, but definitely a lot of depth. I have feeling this won't be the last time we talk, so thank you very much.

speaker-1 (01:04:43.936)
Yeah, you're so welcome and thank you for having me on. And I want to say one last thing about that is like, very much like I see my path, I understand that I'm doing the things I need to do. I get it. There's going to be things that I don't expect that come up because that's in all of our lifetimes, right? Like in everybody's lives, we have things that pop up we don't expect. But, and this is also for your listeners, there is a difference between

lying on your phone, like lying down and being on your phone and not getting out of bed and actually relaxing. There's a big difference between just disengaging with the world and relaxing and having fun. And so when I say that, that's also, that could also be taken as something self-reflective for your audience too and your listeners like, wait a minute, do I know how to just chill out? Can I literally just do nothing?

Can I just be okay being present and being in stillness? Stillness can resolve a lot of problems, but my issue is how do I get to stillness? That is something that eludes me not all the time, but a lot of the time. And so I just wanted to make that point clearer because I do feel like that's something a lot of people struggle with. What does it feel like to actually recover and just chill out? What does that feel like?

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Well, I was just going to say that I'm glad that you came back to that because people hear a lot about being present and being still and it's almost like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, how do I make that happen? And how do I engage with that? And how do I engage with that on a more consistent practice? Yes. I think for people to hear you say those words, they're going to go, it's not just like, it's if she's having a hard time with it.

I'm doing okay.

speaker-1 (01:06:36.846)
Like, I don't, like, I just, I want to sit down and play Scrabble. Like, I don't want to do things. So turning off your phone every now and again, it's actually okay. We weren't creatures who were meant to be, you know, on the phone and in constant contact anyway. And I think the less contact we have, like the less noise we have, the more we can understand ourselves better.

And the more, let's say, ET contact or animal communication or contact with those who have passed, that can happen because you have a stillness. Stillness is a goal. not a, it can be a break, but it's not just supposed to be a break. It is still progress, but it's a progress where you can relax into it too. Relaxation is, it needs to be part of life. It's just that a lot of folks can't, you know, I feel like I certainly can't a lot of the time. So that's.

speaker-0 (01:07:29.422)
It's part of making that self-care a real thing. Wow, that's a great way to end.

speaker-1 (01:07:33.592)
Mm-hmm.

speaker-0 (01:07:37.464)
For all the listeners out there, take heed. And thank you for joining Kimmy and I. Remember, stay curious. Until next time, thanks again. Thank you for joining us for this episode of Wild Soul Gathering's Happy Hour for the Spiritually Curious. To learn more about our guests, please go to our website, WildSoulsGathering.com. We're very eager to hear from our listeners what you thought of the episode, topics you might like us to cover in the future, your thoughts on spirituality, questions you may have.

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